Re: [libreoffice-website] [SC] Decision about CMS

Hi,

Am 19.10.2010 01:39, schrieb Keith Williams:
> My opinion...
> Basically the only person that seems to want silverstripe is Christian. 

wrong


> I think there are 3-4 people here that like Drupal in this group.

but it seems none of them has got the time to maintain or even set it
up, so we too could use a few of the million features by ourselves to
make up our minds about it...


> The couple people interested in Drupal are working on a demo on my server.
> I wish I had time to put in this week to this, but I literally am doing 120%
> work on some projects, so I have no time to do a demo so that I can convince
> one person that Drupal is a good system for a project like this.

Is it really about convincing what we're are talking about here?
There are so many systems out there and still much more than two fitting
our requirements. The point was made clear before* that a few people
have to have time and skills to maintain the whatever system we are
going to use.


> After reviewing silverstripe, it seems that it is primarily designed to be a
> content management system or a blog for a few people or a company.  It may
> be a perfectly acceptable solution for sites like this; however, a large
> website for a distributed community of individuals collaborating on a
> project is not a simple cms website.  Are there silverstripe sites with
> large million+ hit per day sites that have hundreds of thousands of
> registered users working in different areas of the site and with different
> levels of access.  

Do you really claim this ever happened with the OOo websites? All
together it may sum up to a few hundred people using them - not looking
at them! - and just a few handful of people are probably actually
maintaining these sites.


> So yes, Drupal does take some time to setup.  Looking at
> the default install of drupal without a guided tour is like installing linux
> and wondering why it isn't making you coffee and writing your papers for
> you.
>
> Christian:
> You're looking at it from a users point of view???? Thats not  reasonable,
> you can make Drupal and I'm sure silverstripe look like anything.  THE REAL
> ISSUE is going to be designing, configuring, coding, and maintaining the
> site.   Unless Silverstripe has a graphical query builder with access to
> user profiles, content, files, a form builder data, fine grained user roles,
> and a million tutorials on how to use it like Drupal does, then I think
> silverstripe is not a good choice.  


As I see it, it is a huge advante of e.g. Silverstripe, that one does
not have to read/watch a million tutorials to get something going. I
didn't even hear about it until a couple of days ago but I used it to
find out how it works and did not look for reviews on the web to cite
opinions of other people here. I found it to be highly intuitive
enabling you to find almost everything you might be looking for right
away or after a quick glimpse into the help files.


> The main advantage Drupal has is that a
> "User" can be a designer and the "User" does not need to be a coder to help
> with the website setup.

This is the general advanage of all CMS available. But there are a few
which became so complex and huge that exactly this advantage got lost,
e.g. typo, joomla, drupal... just to mention some of them.


> If you don't have the time to talk on skype / or something else about this
> then you're really not interested in finding a good solution for this, your
> only interested in promoting silverstripe for some reason.

How can a cheap polemic help to find a good solution? The same argument
fits to your 'promotion' and it seems there's enough time for...

* In my eyes the point is rather:

Am 18.10.2010 21:56, schrieb Andreas Mantke:
> Am Montag, 18. Oktober 2010, 18:12:35 schrieb Drew Jensen:
> > Is there anyone here willing to accept the responsibility to help
> > admin the CMS instance, say for the next year, without regard to
> > which CMS is selected? (cause I have to think it's going to evolve
> > quickly, so it is going to be a reasonable time commitment for the
> > admin, at least for the first couple of months, my best guess anyway)
> I don't think nobody will accept such a responsibility, because no
> one is familar with a huge number (or maybe all) CMS.
> I think we should ask the other way around. Who is willing to do the
> CMS admin job for a year or so and for which CMS he could provide
> this work. If we find the perfect CMS but we have no one, who could do
the job, we had to go with the second or third  best CMS ;-)

...regarding the fact that one is willing but not familiar with the
choice he/she has to be able to get into it quite fast and easy.

just my opinion

Erich


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