May should be renamed to LibreOffice Mail.
El feb. 26, 2016 9:04 AM, "Tanstaafl" <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org
<mailto:tanstaafl@libertytrek.org>> escribió:
I think bringing Thunderbird fully under the umbrella of The Document
Foundation, and as a sister project of LibreOffice, is a fantastic
idea,
it just makes the most sense to me as a formal and permanent home for
Thunderbird going forward.
The fact is, in spite of the fact that Thunderbird development has
actually improved dramatically ever since Mozilla 'killed it' thanks
*only* to the fantastic volunteers who stepped up, its long term
future
is in jeopardy right now.
I would dearly love to see Thunderbird adopted, providing it the legal
infrastructure and resources it will need if it is to remain viable.
As both a long time Thunderbird user, since well before it reached
version 1.0, and supporting our 60+ Thunderbird users at our office
this
entire time, I would be happy to provide assistance on this list. Not
to
brag, but there are very few Thunderbird issues that I couldn't either
solve, or at least point you to the bug # covering the bug. And since
Lightning is now a bundled Addon, people have to explicitly 'opt out'
of
Calendar functionality, so the fact that TB has a calendar is now much
more 'discoverable' for new users.
Anyway, I hope something comes of this...
Charles
On 2/26/2016 8:15 AM, Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com
<mailto:tomcecf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi :)
> How do people here feel about approaching the Thunderbird people
to bring
> them into the LibreOffice project a bit more? Perhaps they could
become
> the official default email client?
>
> As most of you know - many organisations, particularly OpenSource
ones,
> have departments/sections/sub-groups that focus on supporting
external
> projects that are used within their own project. For example
Ubuntu,
> Redhat, openSuSE, Mageia, Fedora (and so on) each have people able
to help
> their users deal with most issues to do with Thunderbird,
LibreOffice and
> many other apps. Typically such people can handle quite a lot of
issues
> but sometimes seek help from 'upstream' (such as to here if it's a
> LibreOffice issue) or/and invite the user to take their issue
upstream
> themselves. Many of such people stay within one OS and help with
many apps
> within that OS but some support the same app in many different
OSes. There
> are even generic forums, such as "LinuxQuestions.org" that handle
a lot of
> different OSes.
>
> This mailing list has helped quite a few people with "off topic"
issues,
> such as helping with other apps or choosing a good "gateway"
distro (such
> as Mint, Ubuntu etc) for people who want to break free of Windows
or even
> helping with quite detailed "off topic" issues in very geeky
Gnu&Linux OSes
> (such as Slackware). Also there's a good chance that some people
from
> Thunderbird might start offering weeu's support through our support
> systems, such as this mailing list - if we were welcoming and
supportive.
>
> How would people here feel about this mailing list offering support
to
> Thunderbird users, particularly ones who use LibreOffice as their
Office
> Suite?
>
> Another option might be for "The Document Foundation" to fully
take on the
> whole of the Thunderbird project, and bring in all of their
infrastructure
> and maybe kinda merge parts together where it's easy enough to do
so.
>
> Personally i prefer this sort of approach The Mozilla Foundation
chose to
> split TB away from their web-browser (a good linuxy thing to do)
so they
> could be more independent and therefore be used by people who use
a wide
> range of other web-browsers - also helping those few Firefox users
who were
> using something else to benefit more from a more streamlined
Firefox. A
> few years ago Mozilla decided to drop almost all it's support for
TBeaving
> it all to just volunteers. The TB volunteers have done a
fantastic job but
> it would be great to give them a new home so they can "spread
their wings"
> a lot more.
>
> To me it seems that either way, or something similar would greatly
benefit
> both (or even all 3!) separate projects.
>
> It at long last would solve the main perceived 'blocker' that many
people
> seem to struggle with when trying to move away from MS Office =
that LO
> doesn't have a drop-in replacement for Outlook.
>
> Although Outlook includes calendar functionality (and a lot more)
it seems
> that the most frequent problem that people ask about is just about
emails.
> On this mailing list it's even been suggested the TDF create a new
email
> client, but i think most of us already use TB anyway and it's
probably
> better to just use something that has a good, well-proven
track-record
> rather than try to cobble something together from scratch.
>
> Some of us inevitably try to point out that there are many other
choices of
> email client to suit particular niche-markets - such as Claws (for
a much
> smaller foot-print and thus faster on lower-spec machines) or
Evolution
> (for a totally complete "drop in replacement" for Outlook in terms
of
> look&feel (but has limited support and is not cross-platform, and
can't
> even cope outside the Gnome DE so it limits which versions of
Gnu&Linux it
> can be used on)) and some really fancy ones with more
project-management
> functionality.
>
> Such alternatives would still be available and supported but by
having TB
> as our default it would dissolve one more perceived 'blocker' .
People
> would no longer be forced into doing a tonne more research into
which email
> client to choose, and TB would be the perfect one for the vast
majority of
> them.
>
> Microsoft and Apple seem to be successful largely because they
remove
> people's options and give them "Freedom FROM choice". The tech
industry
> seems to value that above almost anything else. As soon as there
are
> choices they start grumbling about "fragmentation", and that it's
difficult
> to choose "which is best" because different use-cases may have
different
> requirements and therefore may need make slightly different
choices. In
> every other industry monopolies are seen as bad - choice and
diversity are
> applauded as being "good competition" allowing "market forces" to
help
> drive innovation, efficiency and all that sort of thing.
>
> In the Gnu&Linux world we fight hard to make sure there is "Freedom
OF
> choice", but a lot of people struggle when given options - they
just want
> to settle with what they are given and then grumble about it!
>
> Giving people a default and then allowing them to easily replace
it as been
> hugely successful for "gateway distros" and i think it would
probably be
> great for us too. How do other people here feel?
>
> Also, just out of curiosity, do we happen to already have people
here who
> help other people with Thunderbird issues in another forum or
support
> network? We probably do already have some with some level of
expertise on
> this mailing list, or at least people who can quickly learn how to
resolve
> the most frequently asked issues.
> Many regards from
> Tom :)
> On 26 Feb 2016 10:25, "Florian Effenberger"
<floeff@documentfoundation.org <mailto:floeff@documentfoundation.org>>
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> the following decision was taken on October 5, 2015 in private as
the board
> saw a need for confidentiality.
>
> It is now made public in accordance with our statutes.
>
> Proposal: Authorize Simon Phipps to explore Thunderbird options
with Mozilla
>
> The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat
holders
> without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have
1/2 of the
> Board of Directors members, which gives 4.
>
> A total of 5 Board of Directors members have participated in the
> vote. The vote is quorate.
>
> A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes.
>
> Result of vote: 5 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals.
> Decision: The request has been accepted.
>
> This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their
deputies.
>
> Florian