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No, no, no. There is no reason.

Or, at the very least, it is waaaaaaaaaaaay too early to even consider
*thinking about* a name change for Thunderbird.

Personally, I wouldn't necessarily be against it, but there would have
to be a decent successful history of Thunderbird development under TDF
umbrella before this should be considered.

On 2/26/2016 10:32 AM, Daniel Espinosa <> wrote:
May should be renamed to LibreOffice Mail.

El feb. 26, 2016 9:04 AM, "Tanstaafl" <
<>> escribió:

    I think bringing Thunderbird fully under the umbrella of The Document
    Foundation, and as a sister project of LibreOffice, is a fantastic idea,
    it just makes the most sense to me as a formal and permanent home for
    Thunderbird going forward.

    The fact is, in spite of the fact that Thunderbird development has
    actually improved dramatically ever since Mozilla 'killed it' thanks
    *only* to the fantastic volunteers who stepped up, its long term future
    is in jeopardy right now.

    I would dearly love to see Thunderbird adopted, providing it the legal
    infrastructure and resources it will need if it is to remain viable.

    As both a long time Thunderbird user, since well before it reached
    version 1.0, and supporting our 60+ Thunderbird users at our office this
    entire time, I would be happy to provide assistance on this list. Not to
    brag, but there are very few Thunderbird issues that I couldn't either
    solve, or at least point you to the bug # covering the bug. And since
    Lightning is now a bundled Addon, people have to explicitly 'opt out' of
    Calendar functionality, so the fact that TB has a calendar is now much
    more 'discoverable' for new users.

    Anyway, I hope something comes of this...


    On 2/26/2016 8:15 AM, Tom Davies <
    <>> wrote:
    > Hi :)
    > How do people here feel about approaching the Thunderbird people
    to bring
    > them into the LibreOffice project a bit more?  Perhaps they could
    > the official default email client?
    > As most of you know - many organisations, particularly OpenSource
    > have departments/sections/sub-groups that focus on supporting external
    > projects that are used within their own project.  For example Ubuntu,
    > Redhat, openSuSE, Mageia, Fedora (and so on) each have people able
    to help
    > their users deal with most issues to do with Thunderbird,
    LibreOffice and
    > many other apps.  Typically such people can handle quite a lot of
    > but sometimes seek help from 'upstream' (such as to here if it's a
    > LibreOffice issue) or/and invite the user to take their issue upstream
    > themselves. Many of such people stay within one OS and help with
    many apps
    > within that OS but some support the same app in many different
    OSes.  There
    > are even generic forums, such as "" that handle
    a lot of
    > different OSes.
    > This mailing list has helped quite a few people with "off topic"
    > such as helping with other apps or choosing a good "gateway"
    distro (such
    > as Mint, Ubuntu etc) for people who want to break free of Windows
    or even
    > helping with quite detailed "off topic" issues in very geeky
    Gnu&Linux OSes
    > (such as Slackware).  Also there's a good chance that some people from
    > Thunderbird might start offering weeu's support through our support
    > systems, such as this mailing list - if we were welcoming and
    > How would people here feel about this mailing list offering support to
    > Thunderbird users, particularly ones who use LibreOffice as their
    > Suite?
    > Another option might be for "The Document Foundation" to fully
    take on the
    > whole of the Thunderbird project, and bring in all of their
    > and maybe kinda merge parts together where it's easy enough to do so.
    > Personally i prefer this sort of approach  The Mozilla Foundation
    chose to
    > split TB away from their web-browser (a good linuxy thing to do)
    so they
    > could be more independent and therefore be used by people who use
    a wide
    > range of other web-browsers - also helping those few Firefox users
    who were
    > using something else to benefit more from a more streamlined
    Firefox.  A
    > few years ago Mozilla decided to drop almost all it's support for
    > it all to just volunteers.  The TB volunteers have done a
    fantastic job but
    > it would be great to give them a new home so they can "spread
    their wings"
    > a lot more.
    > To me it seems that either way, or something similar would greatly
    > both (or even all 3!) separate projects.
    > It at long last would solve the main perceived 'blocker' that many
    > seem to struggle with when trying to move away from MS Office =
    that LO
    > doesn't have a drop-in replacement for Outlook.
    > Although Outlook includes calendar functionality (and a lot more)
    it seems
    > that the most frequent problem that people ask about is just about
    > On this mailing list it's even been suggested the TDF create a new
    > client, but i think most of us already use TB anyway and it's probably
    > better to just use something that has a good, well-proven track-record
    > rather than try to cobble something together from scratch.
    > Some of us inevitably try to point out that there are many other
    choices of
    > email client to suit particular niche-markets - such as Claws (for
    a much
    > smaller foot-print and thus faster on lower-spec machines) or
    > (for a totally complete "drop in replacement" for Outlook in terms of
    > look&feel (but has limited support and is not cross-platform, and
    > even cope outside the Gnome DE so it limits which versions of
    Gnu&Linux it
    > can be used on)) and some really fancy ones with more
    > functionality.
    > Such alternatives would still be available and supported but by
    having TB
    > as our default it would dissolve one more perceived 'blocker' . People
    > would no longer be forced into doing a tonne more research into
    which email
    > client to choose, and TB would be the perfect one for the vast
    majority of
    > them.
    > Microsoft and Apple seem to be successful largely because they remove
    > people's options and give them "Freedom FROM choice".  The tech
    > seems to value that above almost anything else.  As soon as there are
    > choices they start grumbling about "fragmentation", and that it's
    > to choose "which is best" because different use-cases may have
    > requirements and therefore may need  make slightly different
    choices.  In
    > every other industry monopolies are seen as bad - choice and
    diversity are
    > applauded as being "good competition" allowing "market forces" to help
    > drive innovation, efficiency and all that sort of thing.
    > In the Gnu&Linux world we fight hard to make sure there is "Freedom OF
    > choice", but a lot of people struggle when given options - they
    just want
    > to settle with what they are given and then grumble about it!
    > Giving people a default and then allowing them to easily replace
    it as been
    > hugely successful for "gateway distros" and i think it would
    probably be
    > great for us too.  How do other people here feel?
    > Also, just out of curiosity, do we happen to already have people
    here who
    > help other people with Thunderbird issues in another forum or support
    > network?  We probably do already have some with some level of
    expertise on
    > this mailing list, or at least people who can quickly learn how to
    > the most frequently asked issues.
    > Many regards from
    > Tom :)
    > On 26 Feb 2016 10:25, "Florian Effenberger"
    < <>>
    > wrote:
    > Hello,
    > the following decision was taken on October 5, 2015 in private as
    the board
    > saw a need for confidentiality.
    > It is now made public in accordance with our statutes.
    > Proposal: Authorize Simon Phipps to explore Thunderbird options
    with Mozilla
    > The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat
    > without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have
    1/2 of the
    > Board of Directors members, which gives 4.
    > A total of 5 Board of Directors members have participated in the
    > vote. The vote is quorate.
    > A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 3 votes.
    > Result of vote: 5 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals.
    > Decision: The request has been accepted.
    > This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies.
    > Florian

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