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Hi :)
Oh, and to answer the questions that were asked!

I do use the Pdfs from the "Published Guides" pages.  The main advantage is
that the index and chapter headings and such are all "clickable" to get me
to the correct topic very quickly.

I take Anne-ology's point about them being troublesome to add notes to (or
to copy chunks from) but the Pdfs are also in Odt format.

So i use whichever format seems best for what i need, or whichever one i
happen to "have most readily to hand" at a given moment.  So that is a bit

I rarely use the in-built help but when i have it has usually been
excellent.  I am a bit of an aspie so maybe that helped - or maybe it is
just that the 'in-built' help is just excellent anyway.  I've never had a
problem with the 'in-built' help, except that sometimes i need more detail
and hand-holding to help me through something i really didn't understand -
so i went to the Published Guides or googled-it (err, or duck-duckj-go'd
it) to get the extra bit i needed.

Yes i appreciate that most normal users don't know simple computer usage
that has been around 'forever'.  I tend to click on the blue-circled
question mark rather than use F1.  If the 'in-built' help is not installed
locally then it usually takes me to it's on-line pages.  I don't think i
have had problems with any of that but i might not have noticed if it was
just a typical "computers don't always behave" type problem.

I am not sure what sort of format would be better.  I like it the way it
is.  If it changed i might grumble at first but then soon find i prefer the
new way.

I do like the video tutorials at "Spoken Tutorials";

I wish that other languages could take their structure and extend it into
other languages.  Other video channels all seem to be less well-organised
or more dependent on a single person or unsustainably tiny team.  However
it is nice to see a wealth of stuff out there and some interesting topics.

Regards from
Tom :)

On 25 June 2015 at 10:33, Gary Collins <> wrote:

Hi David,
1) Yes, I have used the pdf documentation from time to time, but don't
often have need to. Normally, only if I have a problem, which might occur
when I'm trying something new and unfamiliar; but most of the time I am
just using LO for the old and familiar! My first action in such a case
would be to check the menus; if I can't find what I need there, I try
searching more widely. It's not always easy to find what I want in a large
document, though; but it's definitely comforting to know it's there, in
case, and it has at times been useful.
2) I might think of doing this -- BUT: I use LO mainly on a machine
without internet connection, having downloaded elsewhere and ported on a
memory stick or similar. I believe that the help needs to be downloaded
separately from the application, and I don't always remember to download
the help along with the application, so this method doesn't always work for
3) Some thoughts. The documents are long; there must be a way to
rapidly identify and get to the appropriate section. If there are too many
large graphics, it makes scrolling through the document an arduous process;
graphics should be used only where they really clarify something in the
text, and should not be larger than necessary to achieve such
clarification. Ease of use should always trump prettiness. This is a
comment about documentation in general; the above comments may already be
addressed in LO doc, it's a long time since I've looked, and my memory's
not too great!
4) Probably already answered in (3); if I think of anything to add, I'll
reply again.
       From: dallen <>
 Sent: Wednesday, 24 June 2015, 17:58
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)

Hi All,

  I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's
documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users:

  1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not?
  2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not?
  3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation?
  4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it
more useful, what would it look like?

Thanks for anyone's help.


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