Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

Hello Paul,

On 7 août 2014 16:44:25 CEST, Paul <paulsteyn1@afrihost.co.za> wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Thanks for the info on a different feedback system generating a
> different view of the topic. That was very useful, and I think should
> have been mentioned *much* earlier.
>
> It is likely the the people who mostly come to this list are the ones
> with problems, so we are likely to see a higher incidence of people
> wanting the more stable branch.
>
> While that may negate my opinion that the primary download should be
> switched from the less stable branch to the more stable branch, I still
> feel that the best approach would be to offer both as equal choices,
> with clear explanations.
>
> Or perhaps even to do away with the one branch completely, and
> concentrate more on a single branch, if the difference in stability is
> so negligible, as you keep suggesting. However, I feel that the
> difference is probably big enough to warrant keeping both branches, and
> therefore big enough to warrant having two *equal* download choices,
> *with* explanations.

At the beginning of the discussion I had not understood that it was your concern. Now I do. I 
completely agree of a need for a description of the two branches. We disagree on the priority that 
should be given on each of these although I do see merit in presenting them on equal footage. That 
is just me though, I am far from being alone in this.

Fyi maybe it is my browser but I see that on the homepage clicking on download will dispmay a menu 
with the two branches. Surely that is an acceptable behaviour?

Cheers,

Charles.

> But thank you for contributing this constructive information that has
> helped this discussion move forward.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 15:07:47 +0200
> "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> > Le 07.08.2014 14:50, Paul a écrit :
> > > On Thu, 07 Aug 2014 09:59:46 +0200
> > > "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 07.08.2014 09:54, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > > > > Hi :)
> > > > > +1
> > > > > (to James's suggestion.)
> > > > > I think most people on this mailing list would probably agree
> > > > > with getting
> > > > > the 4.2.6.
> > > >
> > > > That is your own wild call and your own opinion. I don't agree
> with
> > > > you. Many people don't agree with you. Stop saying somebody should
> > > > get the version you like.
> > >
> > > Again, with all due respect Charles, but I have heard many people
> on
> > > this list echo that sentiment. It seems to me like every time this
> > > question comes up there are far more people recommending going for
> > > the more stable branch than there are recommending going for the
> > > less stable
> > > branch, if there are even any of those.
> > >
> > > Tom's suggestion is far from a wild call, although you are of
> course
> > > free to disagree with it.
> >
> > It is a wild call not because it is unreasonable (it isn't) but
> > because it is peremptory.
> > Yes, we can read here, on this list, that the newer branch is a
> > problem. We have read it since several years but I'd like to point
> > out two rather different elements.
> > - the same people complain about the same things for years, right
> > here. For instance Tom has always said here and elsewhere he was not 
> > understanding the reason of two branches. Noop has always complained 
> > about the two branches and the release pace. It does not make their 
> > opinion invalid, but I'm suggesting a pattern here.
> > - This list is interesting, because it is one type of location. As it
>
> > happens, my main contributions these past months to the project have 
> > been creating and sharing content on social media on behalf of 
> > LibreOffice and TDF (yes I'm the main guy behind the daily tweets).
> > You would not believe how different the feedback is. True, people
> > report bugs just like with anything else, but 90% of the time, the
> > people on the social media are users who keep asking for new features
> > and want more and more of them. There was to my knowledge, since
> > January 2014 exactly two people who wrote that they experienced a bug
> > (with the newer branch) and were switching back to the older one. And
> > we get feedback everyday from several different people, so that could
> > give you an idea of the volume we're dealing here with.
> >
> > What am I trying to show here?
> >
> > Certainly not that people on social media are "more right" than
> > people here. But that the opinions diverge with demographics, the
> > place, the crowds, the kind of usage, etc. Indeed here, everytime
> > this question arises, the same people will repeat the same arguments.
> > It does not make their opinions unfair or inaccurate; but an echo
> > chamber is also very easy to form on the Internet, esp. on a mailing
> > list. Last but not least, positive feedback is rare compared to
> > negative - here, in FOSS or in any customer service. I'd be shocked
> > it we experienced the opposite :-)
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Charles.
> >
> >
> > > Paul

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