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I wish I had your experience with Linux. All of my efforts with it on my Sony VAIO laptop have been met with frustration.

I recently shared my frustrations with LO on both Ubuntu and Mint (through "Wubi" installations) not recognizing the libhyphen hyphenator even though it shows in my file system. When Tom suggested that Wubi wasn't the best way to go, I uninstalled my Wubi installation and began to experiment with several live CDs to see how different distributions worked. Here's what I found:

openSuse Live CD: LO worked well with the hyphenator, but it wouldn't play Youtube videos. LinuxMint Live CD: It played YouTube videos, but did not recognize the LO hyphenator. Version 15 also won't run a Bible program that I tried to install.
Ubuntu Live CD: Same as Mint, but it runs the Bible program.
Debian Live CD: It played YouTube Videos, it recognized the LO hyphenator, but on my laptop, it didn't recognize my wireless modem adaptor. I had to plug in an ethernet cord to access the Web. Puppy Linux: I really like Puppy. It runs entirely in RAM, and is lightning quick, but is obviously very sparse, with "Gnome Office", i.e., AbiWord, Gnumeric, etc. rather than LO. But it runs YouTube videos just fine.

I tried both Ubuntu and Mint on a jump drive where I could actually save settings and install additional programs. I found the software installation process curious compared to Windows. With Windows, I download the latest file, double click on it in "Downloads" and it installs. With Linux, I can use Software Manager, but the versions on the GUI repositories are woefully out of date. For example, I use ReText, a markdown editor which is currently on version 4.1, but the version at the Ubuntu/Mint repositories was in the 2.x range. To get a more recent version meant going to the command line "Sudo apt" this, "Sudo apt" that, etc. Hardly intuitive after nearly three decades of GUI computing.

I then tried to "do it right" and dual boot install the Debian system. Yes, I know that Debian is less user friendly than the other distros, but I liked its totally open source attitude and relative simplicity, even if it meant using the command line more. I was willing to learn.

I found a great YouTube video walking through the dual boot install, and I followed it to a "T". It worked great, I rebooted into Debian and all was good. I then rebooted into Windows and, again, all was good. I then tried to reboot into Debian again, and it wouldn't boot. It hung up with a message saying it stopped waiting for a "thermal-module.sys" or something like that. I then got a blank screen with a clock cursor that I could move, but nothing else happened. I tried rebooting several times, and the same thing happened each time. I then read online that a recent version of the Linux Kernel has been overheating some laptops; I don't know if that was my issue, but it scared me. I never dreamed that an OS could actually do physical harm to my hardware.

I realized I would have to go online to a great Linux community (and I mean "great" sincerely) to find out what was wrong. I'm sure that, given enough time, I could figure it out. But, at some point, I decided that actually computing was more important than trying to make it a supplemental OS working. And, for me, it would always be supplemental as I need some programs that only Windows offers.

All of my Windows versions from 1.0 (yes, I had Windows 1.0) through Windows 7 have worked well for me, and I have never paid for a Windows OS, except as it was included in the price of my computers. In my experience, LO has always worked better on my Windows systems than any of the LO systems I have ever tried.

I mean no disrespect to Linux or penguins. I honestly share your passion for Open Source. I use FOSS programs whenever I can. As I have stated before, I *really* want to like Linux, but every time I have tried it, either with a Windows installer, Live CD or even "true" dual boot (I once had a true Ubuntu dual boot), I run into a some roadblock that requires a large investment of time to chase down. I feel that, with Linux, I'll spend more time maintaining my OS than actually getting work done.

So, I'll continue to use Windows until it stops working or MS comes up with some licensing scheme that suddenly turns me into a criminal by just using their program.


-----Original Message----- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

We are not weird, just passonate about Open Source.

Actually, to be honest, having some type of penguin stuff animal or sign
at our work desks can be a good conversation starter for Linux, Open
Source Packages, and even LO.  Instead of you coming to them, they come
to you and would not be concidered rude on your side to answer questions
when they come to you.

The Penguin Defence Squad poster was just something to give others a
good laugh.

Well, to be perfectly honest, it is weird for us to . . . .
1 - want to pay for an operating system for our computers, if we get a
good one for free.

2 - want to pay for an office suite when you can get a good one for free
- think LO

3 - want to deal with all of the crashes and other stability issues

4 - want to have the OS "type" that runs most of the Internet and other
"must be up 99.99% of the time" servers?

5 - want to have the freedom to choose what the desktop environment will
look like - Untiy, KDE, MATE, and a whole lot of others - instead of
what some big company boss decides you must like.

It is called Freedom

by the way
more and more industries are moving over to Linux as their primary
business systems, desktop and server, and dropping MS products, after MS
decided that everyone wanted those little tiles on your computer and
many other things that businesses really do not want.

Would you have 10+ windows open and on the screen or minimized to the
"tray"?  When I work, I tend to have many windows open at the same time,
or minimized so I can interact with all them creating my documents.
Last Time I tried it on Windows, Vista or Win7, it was a nightmare.

I really love Ubuntu Linux over Windows 7.  I started using Linux when I
could not find a free Windows package to do what I needed after the
Windows package crashed and would not allow me to reinstall it.  I have
been using it as my default desktop since early spring of 2010.  I have
all my Windows laptops dual booting to Ubuntu as well.  There are
something I need Windows for, but I rarely use it more than a few times
a month.

Yes, we are weird, but it is a good weird.

On 10/05/2013 07:44 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
These two messages 'splain a lot. You Linux dudes are really weird. ;)


-----Original Message----- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Corrupt Installer Errors??

I collect every non-movie-character penguin stuffed animal as I can
find.  I think they are cute, for some odd reason.

Still, it would be interesting to see more Tux Penguin "items" being
sold somewhere so you could have a "Tux" on your desk or door, or
somewhere.  Then if the ask why you have a pengiun there, you could tell
them.  Actually, I found severl hundred penguin images that have the
character dressed in super hero and other "costumes".  I even have a
self made poster stating that my place is defended by a Penguin Defence
Squad with about a dozen costume character penguines that are dresses in
such a way that I would not want to have a bunch of humans dress liked
that I had to go up against, even if a few look more Halloween costume
than real type people would wear.

On 10/04/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Maybe consider being nice to them and getting a cute cuddly penguin
as a present.  Also see if you can spot anyone that already has a
penguin on their desk as they might be more amenable to using
OpenSource software.

Personally i tend to hate cute and cuddly things but even so if it
was a penguin that would make me smile.  Penguins are so cool,
especially Tux
Regards from
Tom :)

 From: contrazz <>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 4:59
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Corrupt Installer Errors??

Nice thread hijack, folks!
>From busted downloads to nefarious Wi-Fi in three easy steps!

My company's firewall doesn't allow torrent downloads.

I never use IE unless it's the only option.
I used Firefox and Chrome - with identical, broken results.
Eventually, I took one of the computers off-site, and immediately got
a good
download.  .
Back inside the perimeter, another try yielded another broken file.
I'll grouch to my IT crew about it tomorrow.

Hope y'all have fun with the Wi-Fi thread ... !

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