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Hi :)   
Several different issues all in one thread.  

Whenever you install Windows or upgrade, such as from Xp to Win7 the Windows installer kindly 
'fixes' the MBR to point at the Windows boot-loader (NTldr).  Windows can't see non-Windows stuff 
and even has trouble with other versions of Windows.  So the Windows boot-loader only lets you boot 
into the version of Windows that you have just installed (or upgraded to).  

Whenever you install almost any other OS they tend to default to 'fix' your MBR to point to their 
own boot-loader (usually Grub or Lilo).  That automatically finds all OSes on your system, even 
ones on other drives or even on any usb-sticks that happen to be plugged in at the time.  It 
creates a "boot menu" listing all the different OSes, allowing you to choose which one to boot 

If your MBR has been 'fixed' then it is usually fairly trivial to re'fix' it to whichever 
boot-loader you wanted.  There are various special tools which can also do the job.  Personally i 
just use almost any LiveCd/USb of almost any distro to run just a couple of commands and that's it 
re'fixed' again.  Having a special tool to run the couple of commands seems a bit extravagant 

fix = mend
always?  So in newspapers when they say a race was fixed do they mean the race had been broken?  So 
why is it said as an accusation?  Similarly with the MBR.  It is "fixed" to ensure that only one 
boot-loader has any chance of winning.  All the rest might as well not even be in the race at all.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>
Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 0:10
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer Errors??)

I run Ubuntu 12.04 on my systems, including dual booting.

Mint has some network printer issues that Ubuntu did not.

I use the dual booting on a DELL and a Gateway laptop - DELL and older
slower dual core, with the Gateway a newer and faster dual core.  The
only booting problem I had was when I upgraded from Vista to Win7 Pro,
it messed the dual booting ability till I ran a Utility disc. 

I choose Ubuntu since it was the only one - 9.xx days that worked with
my old HP laptop's sound system from the Live CD.  I wish that Ubuntu
did not drop the Live CD and DVD diferences.  Now the Live disc is not
large at all, not compared to the 12.04/12.10 versions.

I choose MATE desktop to work as the GNOME 2.x did with Ubuntu 10.04's
version.  I do not like Unity at all.

For me, the LO hyphation system works fine.  I run version 4.05 for LO
and 12.04 for Ubuntu right now for my default system.

I started with DOS but did not get to use Windows till 3.x.  I saw 2.x
but never used it.  I use to install Windows 95 and 98 from floppy
drives onto a IBM PC that had a hard drive of no more than 20 to 40 MB,
let alone GB. 

But I got into Linux from the point that I could not afford to purchase
new hardware or any new software, so I had to use old hardware and find
free sources for the software.  In the end, I even when to the free OS
of Ubuntu.

As for overheating laptops, I tend to get them in the "heavy side" since
the thicker ones tend to have a bit better heat sink and fan options to
keep then laptops cooler.  Actually, for Windows try SpeedFan utility to
see how hot the various parts of you laptop is getting.  My newer one is
a lot coller than the older/slower one.  Of course that old dual core
DELL was not "powerful enough" to create movie DVDs out of MP4 and AVI
file, according to DELL's tech people, even though the single core HP
laptop, 2 years older than that, could to this without any problems. 
But as I stated, the heavier, and the thicker, the laptop is, more
lickly it would run cooler than these new super thin ones.

As for the Repositories, well some distros are way behind others for
package versions.  Debian seems to be father behind than most others
that are updated regularly.  I run Ubuntu 12.04 LTS [long term support]
and 13.10 is to come out this month.  Some of the repository packages
are not up-to-date as the 13.04 versions, but I should be using 12.04LTS
till 14.04LTS comes out, or at least on most of my Ubuntu systems. 

Of course, you do not need to stick with the repository packages, for
software like LO, since there are other newer version available for
download from the software developers.  I have only once stuck with a
repository version for LO, and that was for only a few months.  Actually
I will update my desktop to 4.0.6 when it comes out, while one of my
laptops will have 4.1.2 on one of its boots, maybe the Windows boot,
like I have 4.1.1 right now.

On 10/05/2013 06:35 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I wish I had your experience with Linux. All of my efforts with it on
my Sony VAIO laptop have been met with frustration.

I recently shared my frustrations with LO on both Ubuntu and Mint
(through "Wubi" installations) not recognizing the libhyphen
hyphenator even though it shows in my file system. When Tom suggested
that Wubi wasn't the best way to go, I uninstalled my Wubi
installation and began to experiment with several live CDs to see how
different distributions worked. Here's what I found:

openSuse Live CD: LO worked well with the hyphenator, but it wouldn't
play Youtube videos.
LinuxMint Live CD: It played YouTube videos, but did not recognize the
LO hyphenator. Version 15 also won't run a Bible program that I tried
to install.
Ubuntu Live CD: Same as Mint, but it runs the Bible program.
Debian Live CD: It played YouTube Videos, it recognized the LO
hyphenator, but on my laptop, it didn't recognize my wireless modem
adaptor. I had to plug in an ethernet cord to access the Web.
Puppy Linux: I really like Puppy. It runs entirely in RAM, and is
lightning quick, but is obviously very sparse, with "Gnome Office",
i.e., AbiWord, Gnumeric, etc. rather than LO. But it runs YouTube
videos just fine.

I tried both Ubuntu and Mint on a jump drive where I could actually
save settings and install additional programs. I found the software
installation process curious compared to Windows. With Windows, I
download the latest file, double click on it in "Downloads" and it
installs. With Linux, I can use Software Manager, but the versions on
the GUI repositories are woefully out of date. For example, I use
ReText, a markdown editor which is currently on version 4.1, but the
version at the Ubuntu/Mint repositories was in the 2.x range. To get a
more recent version meant going to the command line "Sudo apt" this,
"Sudo apt" that, etc. Hardly intuitive after nearly three decades of
GUI computing.

I then tried to "do it right" and dual boot install the Debian system.
Yes, I know that Debian is less user friendly than the other distros,
but I liked its totally open source attitude and relative simplicity,
even if it meant using the command line more. I was willing to learn.

I found a great YouTube video walking through the dual boot install,
and I followed it to a "T". It worked great, I rebooted into Debian
and all was good. I then rebooted into Windows and, again, all was
good. I then tried to reboot into Debian again, and it wouldn't boot.
It hung up with a message saying it stopped waiting for a
"thermal-module.sys" or something like that. I then got a blank screen
with a clock cursor that I could move, but nothing else happened. I
tried rebooting several times, and the same thing happened each time.
I then read online that a recent version of the Linux Kernel has been
overheating some laptops; I don't know if that was my issue, but it
scared me. I never dreamed that an OS could actually do physical harm
to my hardware.

I realized I would have to go online to a great Linux community (and I
mean "great" sincerely) to find out what was wrong. I'm sure that,
given enough time, I could figure it out. But, at some point, I
decided that actually computing was more important than trying to make
it a supplemental OS working. And, for me, it would always be
supplemental as I need some programs that only Windows offers.

All of my Windows versions from 1.0 (yes, I had Windows 1.0) through
Windows 7 have worked well for me, and I have never paid for a Windows
OS, except as it was included in the price of my computers. In my
experience, LO has always worked better on my Windows systems than any
of the LO systems I have ever tried.

I mean no disrespect to Linux or penguins. I honestly share your
passion for Open Source. I use FOSS programs whenever I can. As I have
stated before, I *really* want to like Linux, but every time I have
tried it, either with a Windows installer, Live CD or even "true" dual
boot (I once had a true Ubuntu dual boot), I run into a some roadblock
that requires a large investment of time to chase down. I feel that,
with Linux, I'll spend more time maintaining my OS than actually
getting work done.

So, I'll continue to use Windows until it stops working or MS comes up
with some licensing scheme that suddenly turns me into a criminal by
just using their program.


-----Original Message----- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Penguins: (Was Corrupt Installer

We are not weird, just passonate about Open Source.

Actually, to be honest, having some type of penguin stuff animal or sign
at our work desks can be a good conversation starter for Linux, Open
Source Packages, and even LO.  Instead of you coming to them, they come
to you and would not be concidered rude on your side to answer questions
when they come to you.

The Penguin Defence Squad poster was just something to give others a
good laugh.

Well, to be perfectly honest, it is weird for us to . . . .
1 - want to pay for an operating system for our computers, if we get a
good one for free.

2 - want to pay for an office suite when you can get a good one for free
- think LO

3 - want to deal with all of the crashes and other stability issues

4 - want to have the OS "type" that runs most of the Internet and other
"must be up 99.99% of the time" servers?

5 - want to have the freedom to choose what the desktop environment will
look like - Untiy, KDE, MATE, and a whole lot of others - instead of
what some big company boss decides you must like.

It is called Freedom

by the way
more and more industries are moving over to Linux as their primary
business systems, desktop and server, and dropping MS products, after MS
decided that everyone wanted those little tiles on your computer and
many other things that businesses really do not want.

Would you have 10+ windows open and on the screen or minimized to the
"tray"?  When I work, I tend to have many windows open at the same time,
or minimized so I can interact with all them creating my documents.
Last Time I tried it on Windows, Vista or Win7, it was a nightmare.

I really love Ubuntu Linux over Windows 7.  I started using Linux when I
could not find a free Windows package to do what I needed after the
Windows package crashed and would not allow me to reinstall it.  I have
been using it as my default desktop since early spring of 2010.  I have
all my Windows laptops dual booting to Ubuntu as well.  There are
something I need Windows for, but I rarely use it more than a few times
a month.

Yes, we are weird, but it is a good weird.

On 10/05/2013 07:44 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
These two messages 'splain a lot. You Linux dudes are really weird. ;)


-----Original Message----- From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Corrupt Installer Errors??

I collect every non-movie-character penguin stuffed animal as I can
find.  I think they are cute, for some odd reason.

Still, it would be interesting to see more Tux Penguin "items" being
sold somewhere so you could have a "Tux" on your desk or door, or
somewhere.  Then if the ask why you have a pengiun there, you could tell
them.  Actually, I found severl hundred penguin images that have the
character dressed in super hero and other "costumes".  I even have a
self made poster stating that my place is defended by a Penguin Defence
Squad with about a dozen costume character penguines that are dresses in
such a way that I would not want to have a bunch of humans dress liked
that I had to go up against, even if a few look more Halloween costume
than real type people would wear.

On 10/04/2013 11:09 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Maybe consider being nice to them and getting a cute cuddly penguin
as a present.  Also see if you can spot anyone that already has a
penguin on their desk as they might be more amenable to using
OpenSource software.

Personally i tend to hate cute and cuddly things but even so if it
was a penguin that would make me smile.  Penguins are so cool,
especially Tux
Regards from
Tom :)

  From: contrazz <>
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2013, 4:59
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Corrupt Installer Errors??

Nice thread hijack, folks!
From busted downloads to nefarious Wi-Fi in three easy steps!

My company's firewall doesn't allow torrent downloads.

I never use IE unless it's the only option.
I used Firefox and Chrome - with identical, broken results.
Eventually, I took one of the computers off-site, and immediately got
a good
download.  .
Back inside the perimeter, another try yielded another broken file.
I'll grouch to my IT crew about it tomorrow.

Hope y'all have fun with the Wi-Fi thread ... !

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