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Hi, Tom,   :-)

On 6/14/13 5:46 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
You are making it sound more complicated than it really is.

No, not really.

Maurice's point is the abandonment of the horizontal rule breaks his older documents. Readable or not.

Steve's point is the breaking of old documents by removing the horizontal rule is the same type of practice for which people bad mouth MS.


3.  You can find programs that still use the older formats.  Even LO can be switched to using older 
formats.  See
Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General

So, I guess if Maurice still wants to use the horizontal rule ( or any other deprecated features) he should abandon the current LO and use the older programs?

Pray tell, if you drop the horizontal rule from the new version, how do you load and save a document that has a horizontal rule?

4.  The devs have created a new format for LO that wraps up the 3 older formats, 1.2 (not extended), 1.1 and 
1.0 and are calling it something like "1.2 Extended (compat)".  Files created using that format 
will be able to be read by legacy software that can only read 1.0 or only 1.1.  Presumably at some point we 
are going to find the options listed in
Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
to drop from 4 formats back down to 2.

I submit that files created by the new format will only load correctly in the older software if the features in the new documents are supported in the old software.

The whole point of ODF is that even if or when programs do abandon a particular version of it that 
format is still readable because the format is implemented as specified.  The point is NOT to 
condemn us all to sticking with an unchanging format for the next few hundred years!  Change is 
inevitable.  Documenting those changes is part of the aim of ODF so that old files can be read.

Readable does not equate to useable, which I think is Maurice's point.

Making the file readable by legacy software is rather a waste of time anyway, since the legacy software will eventually be broken by the evolution of the different OSes. Making older files with the legacy formats useable, not just readable, is a valid goal. That saves the user having to take the time to redo the document when it's a document that is still being used. Such as a template.

Even if the new software can't save in the old format, if you read the old format 100% correctly, then all you have to do is Save As in the new format. And the user gets on with life.

I would have to agree with Maurice, dropping the horizontal rule is dumb, especially if it now takes more work at the user's end to create one with HTML tags. One of the reasons for computers is to get rid of having to do repetitive things by the human. Have the computer do it.

For me, it's becoming a moot point. I'd rather pay for program(s) that do what I need without issues (never 100% possible, but I'm finding more possible than with LO) and constantly mess with free software. Thunderbird is the other program for me that is on very thin ice.

This is going waaay off-topic again.

True, but it's a good conversation.  :-)


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