Why would 18.104.22.168 [for 64-bit Ubuntu] give you the problem when 22.214.171.124
[for 64-bit Ubuntu] does not give the same issue to me.
That is a real head-scratching problem for me.
I downloaded my versions of the fonts in June of 2011. If you want, I
can upload the Linux Libertine fonts files I use to a place where you
can download then and check them.
As I said, my Ubuntu 3.5.7 version of LO is not showing me the issue you
are showing with 126.96.36.199.
On 10/31/2012 04:34 PM, VA wrote:
Okay, I just tested it with LibreOffice 188.8.131.52 for 64-bit Ubuntu (the
version I got when I just clicked on "Download" at the LibO website)
and got identical results. I used both Document Viewer and Okular to
view the PDF file. In both cases, the search function found "This"
with the "Th" ligature, but not "official" with the "ffi" ligature.
Cutting and pasting the text from the PDF file to GEdit also produced
the rogue additional "h" before each "i".
I then ran the same test with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 for Ubuntu and
all was fine, just as it was on my Win7 setup.
My next test will be to download the latest version of LibO for
Windows and try it again there.
I'm also wondering if the version of Linux Libertine G matters. Even
if it does, it is clear that, at least on my computer, Apache
OpenOffice is rendering it properly in a PDF file and LibO is not.
Since I'm not a developer, I have no idea why.
I agree that Apache and Libre have different licensing structures, but
as an end-user, not a developer, I don't particularly care. Both AOO
and LibO are free to use by users for any purpose without restriction.
As a user, I view the differences in the programs in terms of what
they do for me, not in how they are licensed.
Right now, on my computer, AOO works better with the Libertine G
fonts, but LibO has accurate US-English hyphenation.
So, my solution, which I hate, is to keep both programs on my computer
and load the one that meets my particular need at a given time. When I
need good Libertine G support, I use AOO; if I need good hyphenation,
I load LibO. I refuse to get sucked into licensing battles between two
very similar programs. I just want to get my work done.
On 10/31/2012 02:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
I tested it with 3.5.7 for 64-bit Ubuntu [.deb] and I do not see the
issue at all. I use the default PDF viewer as well.
I wonder if it was fixed between 3.5.6 and 3.5.7?
OR - Could it look different in a different viewer that the
"official" Adobe Reader?
I do have both the Linux Libertine G and the non-G versions. I used
the uploaded text file and tested it. The PDF output with "Export to
PDF" did not give me any issue.
As for the "best of both packages", in some articles I have read, AOO
is taking the "best" of LO coding and including it into their
package, since LO developer really have made a large amount of work
cleaning and improving the base code from the OOo 3.x base code
days. The big problem, IMO, is the licensing issue. AOO has a
different approach, so I have been told, and it is not as "flexible"
for the rights of the individual developers as the LO project has.
AOO can use LO's code, but LO's licensing approach will not allow AOO
coding to be "easily" a part LO's package unless there is a revamping
of the way the developers keep their ownership of their work. [or so
I have been told in my reading].
As for the Libertine font itself, I see the following in my font window:
Linux Libertine Capitals
Linux Libertine Display
Linux Libertine Display Capitals
Linux Libertine G
Linux Libertine Initials
Linux Libertine Slanted.
I also have:
Linux Biolinum Captials
Linux Biolinum G
Linux Biolinum Keyboard
Linux Biolinum Outline
Linux Biolinum Shadow
Linux Biolinum Slanted
I do not use Libertine or Biolinum "much", since about 1/3 of the
things I do I tend to go to others for editing in the Windows and
non-LO environment. They use the MS core fonts. Now if I was to send
out in PDFs, then I can embed the fonts in the documents and
therefore could use these fonts. With over 14 Gigi of font files to
choose from, I tend to get lost in who has and who do not have the
fonts I use on a weekly basis.
On 10/31/2012 01:39 PM, VA wrote:
Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it
appears to be LibO bug rather than a font problem.
I'm using LibO 184.108.40.206 with Win7 and Adobe Reader.
In the sentence "This is the official version" with Linux Libertine
G, there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the "Th"
combination in "This," and the "ffi" combination in "official." In
Adobe Reader, I aas able to find "This" when I did a search, which
means that the Reader recognized the "Th" ligature as a "T" followed
by an "h" which is what I typed into the search box. But, when I
tried to search for "official" the Adobe Reader couldn't find it,
which means it did NOT associate my typing of an "f", "f", "I" with
the "ffi" ligature.
Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a
plain text editor, it placed an "h" before every instance of an "i"
just as was reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with
ligatures as most of the instances of "i" were NOT included in the
ligatures. In fact, it did not place an "h" before the "i" in the
For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1.
to see if it is a font issue or a program issue. I'm sorry to report
that it appears to be a program issue. In AOO, I typed the same
sentence using Linux Libertine G, "This is the official version." I
then saved it as a PDF and opened it in Adobe Reader. This time, a
search found both "This" and "official" despite both words
containing ligatures. And, when I copied the sentence into a plain
text editor, it copied correctly without any additions of "h" before
I love the Linux Libertine set of fonts. I use it, not only with
LibO and AOO, but also when I set a document in LaTeX.
I have found that Apache OpenOffice's support for Linux Libertine G
appears to be more complete and polished than LibO's. This may be an
example of that more complete support.
Of course, LibO has its advantages over AOO; for example, it
properly hyphenates American English words, with AOO does not appear
to do. It would be nice if someone could combine the best of both
programs into one complete program (along with the tabbed interface
of Lotus Symphony, yet a third fork of the original OO). But, I
won't hold my breath.
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite
On 10/30/2012 11:08 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
I can select the text in the PDF, copy and paste, but get an 'h'
added before most 'i'. I can search, but not if the word is one with
the extra h before i Steve
That's exactly what I mean. It effectively means no searching.
I tried both Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum [14 point] on my
3.5.7 version for Ubuntu 64-bit. I cannot replicate the issue with
Were you using Graphite fonts ('Libertine G'/'Biolinum G')? Those
are the ones where the problem arises. Those are also the fonts
that do ligatures and other lovely typesetting things that make
them look so nice, which I why I want to use them.
Seems to me that you have solved your own problem: it is the
fonts. The search function can not handle the the lovely typesetting
things. As you mentioned, an "i" looks like a "hi" to it. The only real
solution is to not use any of the Graphite fonts in a PDF.
But if you want to search the PDF, have you opened it in Draw and
search for the text in it?
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