Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts

I tested it with 3.5.7 for 64-bit Ubuntu [.deb] and I do not see the 
issue at all.  I use the default PDF viewer as well.

I wonder if it was fixed between 3.5.6 and 3.5.7?

OR - Could it look different in a different viewer that the "official" 
Adobe Reader?

I do have both the Linux Libertine G and the non-G versions.  I used the 
uploaded text file and tested it.  The PDF output with "Export to PDF" 
did not give me any issue.

As for the "best of both packages", in some articles I have read, AOO is 
taking the "best" of LO coding and including it into their package, 
since LO developer really have made a large amount of work cleaning and 
improving the base code from the OOo 3.x base code days.  The big 
problem, IMO, is the licensing issue.  AOO has a different approach, so 
I have been told, and it is not as "flexible" for the rights of the 
individual developers as the LO project has.  AOO can use LO's code, but 
LO's licensing approach will not allow AOO coding to be "easily" a part 
LO's package unless there is a revamping of the way the developers keep 
their ownership of their work. [or so I have been told in my reading].

As for the Libertine font itself, I see the following in my font window:

   Linux Libertine
   Linux Libertine Capitals
   Linux Libertine Display
   Linux Libertine Display Capitals
   Linux Libertine G
   Linux Libertine Initials
   Linux Libertine Slanted.


I also have:

   Linux Biolinum
   Linux Biolinum Captials
   Linux Biolinum G
   Linux Biolinum Keyboard
   Linux Biolinum Outline
   Linux Biolinum Shadow
   Linux Biolinum Slanted

I do not use Libertine or Biolinum "much", since about 1/3 of the things 
I do I tend to go to others for editing in the Windows and non-LO 
environment.  They use the MS core fonts.  Now if I was to send out in 
PDFs, then I can embed the fonts in the documents and therefore could 
use these fonts.  With over 14 Gigi of font files to choose from, I tend 
to get lost in who has and who do not have the fonts I use on a weekly 
basis.


On 10/31/2012 01:39 PM, VA wrote:
> Interesting problem. Based on my tests, which I detail below, it 
> appears to be LibO bug rather than a font problem.
>
> I'm using LibO 3.5.6.2 with Win7 and Adobe Reader.
>
> In the sentence "This is the official version" with Linux Libertine G, 
> there are two instances of automatic ligatures--the "Th" combination 
> in "This," and the "ffi" combination in "official." In Adobe Reader, I 
> aas able to find "This" when I did a search, which means that the 
> Reader recognized the "Th" ligature as a "T" followed by an "h" which 
> is what I typed into the search box. But, when I tried to search for 
> "official" the Adobe Reader couldn't find it, which means it did NOT 
> associate my typing of an "f", "f", "I" with the "ffi" ligature.
>
> Then when I copied and pasted the sentence from the PDF file into a 
> plain text editor, it placed an "h" before every instance of an "i" 
> just as was reported. However, this obviously has nothing to do with 
> ligatures as most of the instances of "i" were NOT included in the 
> ligatures. In fact, it did not place an "h" before the "i" in the 
> "ffi" ligature.
>
> For comparison, I ran the same test using Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1. to 
> see if it is a font issue or a program issue. I'm sorry to report that 
> it appears to be a program issue. In AOO, I typed the same sentence 
> using Linux Libertine G, "This is the official version." I then saved 
> it as a PDF and opened it in Adobe Reader. This time, a search found 
> both "This" and "official" despite both words containing ligatures. 
> And, when I copied the sentence into a plain text editor, it copied 
> correctly without any additions of "h" before "i".
>
> I love the Linux Libertine set of fonts. I use it, not only with LibO 
> and AOO, but also when I set a document in LaTeX.
>
> I have found that Apache OpenOffice's support for Linux Libertine G 
> appears to be more complete and polished than LibO's. This may be an 
> example of that more complete support.
>
> Of course, LibO has its advantages over AOO; for example, it properly 
> hyphenates American English words, with AOO does not appear to do. It 
> would be nice if someone could combine the best of both programs into 
> one complete program (along with the tabbed interface of Lotus 
> Symphony, yet a third fork of the original OO). But, I won't hold my 
> breath.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Lewis
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:02 AM
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Searchable PDFs from Graphite fonts
>
> On 10/30/2012 11:08 PM, Jonathan Schultz wrote:
> > > I can select the text in the PDF, copy and paste, but get an 'h'
> > > added before most 'i'. I can search, but not if the word is one with
> > > the extra h before i Steve
> >
> > That's exactly what I mean. It effectively means no searching.
> >
> > > I tried both Linux Libertine and Linux Biolinum [14 point] on my
> > > 3.5.7 version for Ubuntu 64-bit.  I cannot replicate the issue with
> > > "added" characters.
> >
> > Were you using Graphite fonts ('Libertine G'/'Biolinum G')? Those are 
> > the ones where the problem arises. Those are also the fonts that do 
> > ligatures and other lovely typesetting things that make them look so 
> > nice, which I why I want to use them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jonathan
>      Seems to me that you have solved your own problem: it is the
> fonts. The search function can not handle the the lovely typesetting
> things. As you mentioned, an "i" looks like a "hi" to it. The only real
> solution is to not use any of the Graphite fonts in a PDF.
>      But if you want to search the PDF, have you opened it in Draw and
> search for the text in it?
>
> --Dan


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