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       How old do you think engineering is?
           granted this term existed, yet the definition has changed

       Here are a couple sites which seem to be fairly accurate
historically -


       Also, what you described would not have been necessary until the age
of middle-managers - ca. mid 20C, post WWII

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jay Lozier <> wrote:

On 08/16/2012 10:50 AM, anne-ology wrote:

        brilliantly said.

        And may I add this use of acronyms is silly ... are we supposed to
memorize each new one  ???
           here's supposedly a complete listing -

        Yes, growing up pre-computers was different from you post-computer
youngsters, but bear in mind that using acronyms confuses the
since many of these are duplicates  ;-)

I should have noted that RFC and the related RFQ (request for quotation)
are very old engineering acronyms (pre PC) used to describe stages in
project development. RFC is asking the reviewers to review a draft
proposal/design/specifications prior to formally finalizing the design.
Reviewers may be any interested party involved in the project. There may
not be a formal RFC issued of the complete design/proposal/specifications
but various interested parties are often asked to review at least parts of
the design.  RFQ is formally asking vendors to bid on the finalized

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Tom Davies <>

Hi :)

Bottom posting is a good way to alienate most of the target
market-shares that LO needs to break into.  Many new people are
completely unaware that there is any other way of posting other than
top-posting because top posting is so widespread.

Also there are a ridiculous number of rules, such as how and when to
makes it more time consuming and difficult for new people that have
only joined the list to deal with one or 2 specific questions, not to
change their entire life-style.

How about we 1st get the world using LibreOffice and THEN start opening
people to new ways of doing things?

Oh and this new way of having to use "Reply to all" instead of "Reply" is
brilliant!  It makes it more difficult to keep things on-list and more
difficult for new arrivals to the list.  Perfect!!
Regards from
Tom :)

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