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I use MATE for my desktop on Ubuntu 12.04. It is the closest desktop I have found to the 10.04 "classic GNOME" desktop environment. It works for me better than Mint.

I do not know about "Fallback" since that name has not come up before, but I may have seen it referenced by a different name.

I use 10.04 as my default desktop, on my quad desktop. I have a Vista laptop that I dual booted for Ubuntu 10.04 and then upgraded it to 12.04 to see how it worked. I did not like the default desktop environments, so I installed MATE on it for the default desktop environment. I like it, but it has some of the applications in a different location in the menu system on the top panel.

When I fix a monitor/video issue with my desktop system, I will upgrade it to 12.04 and MATE. Right now it seems that 11.x/12.x wants to default to the maximum resolution of the video card and not what the monitor can do. I may put a lower resolution card into it and do the upgrade, then go back to using the on-board higher resolution video card. The best solution would be buy the 1080p monitor, since that is what the video card can do as its max resolution. Maybe next month or two I will be able to buy one on my fixed income.

On 07/24/2012 05:05 PM, Lynne Stevens wrote:
I use Ubuntu 11.04 . . I started with10.10 VERY STABLE version and then
upgraded to 11.04 I am not going beyond this version as they have the floating Icons and it take 2 more clicks to get a program open than with Gnome Classic Desktop Until they fix the next versions to have a Gnome Desktop I am not going to even recommend them any more . . Mint and Fallback are piss poor fixes for a Gnome Classic desktop . .


On 07/24/2012 11:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
I meant to say earlier that often (although probably not in this case) there is usually something somewhere in Gnu&Linux-land that does do exactly what. The problem most people have is finding it and it's forum or mailing-list.
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Tue, 24/7/12, Lynne Stevens <> wrote:

From: Lynne Stevens <>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Migrating from Windows; take it slow
Date: Tuesday, 24 July, 2012, 18:26



On 07/24/2012 05:58 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
The real problem for many people is the hardware and software needs.

I still have some USB hardware that does not work on Linux. No working drivers.

Then there is the problem of having to use certain software, for work or pleasure, that you either cannot find a good Linux alternative or you MUST use. There is the option of WINE, but some software seems not to want to work under that. Personally, I have never gotten WINE to work for me, but that is just me.

I made a personal choice and used Ubuntu when I bought my last "default" desktop. I had to adjust to some of the software though. I still have the Windows laptops [single or dual boot] to deal with the need Windows software. My Epson printer prints on DVD media, but I have not found any replacement for its Windows software to do that work. There is a graphic program that I bought for Windows that works much easier that GIMP, so if I have trouble with an image/graphics, I need to work on it with that Windows software. BUT, most most of the work I do, Ubuntu and the free software for it works for me.

So, even though I use Ubuntu as my default system, I still need to keep Windows around for those things that I cannot find drivers and software version for in Linux.

Even version of Linux differ.
The scanning part of my Epson printer does not work at all with Ubuntu 10.04, but will work on 12.04. I updated the software and drivers I use for it on my 10.04 system, but still not luck. Something in 12.04 makes it work that I seem not to be able to get with 10.04.

On 07/24/2012 08:37 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Virtualisation is good but if it's a question of drivers for a particular piece of hardware then it might not work. It might, but it if the underlaying OS can't see it then i don't see how the virtual machine that is sitting on top of that OS is supposed to see it.

It is possible to use emulators or even better is WINE (stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") but that is a lot more sophisticated and hence slightly harder to set-up initially for some programs.

The worst way around is to have a Gnu&Linux in a virtual machine on Windows because then the stability of the unix-based systems is sitting on top of the flakiness of Windows so you end-up adding the worst of each OS. A dual-boot means each is directly on bare metal so it gives a fair comparison. Windows inside a virtual machine inside Gnu&Linux sounds like it's going to be ver stable too.

Ubuntu and Puppy and possibly a few others have a magic way of installing inside Windows. It avoids 1 of the layers between bare-metal and the OS because it avoids the virtual machine bit. The Ubuntu magic way is called the "Wubi". Again you are adding the worst of each OS and in addition the "drives" are really compressed files but it's fast and easy to install and many people keep using such things for years with no problems. Obviously it's not made by Microsoft and so every once in a while someone has troubles with Windows trying to reject it but that is fairly rare. We used to get about 1 question per month that was specifically about the Wubi and solved by moving to a dual-boot.

So, there are tons of different ways of avoiding wiping Windows and that seems to be the best way to make the migration much more gentle and less stressful. Throwing yourself to the lions is the fastest way to learn to deal with lions (or die) but there is no real need to create so much stress.
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Tue, 24/7/12, Simon Cropper <> wrote:

From: Simon Cropper <>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Migrating from Windows; take it slow
Date: Tuesday, 24 July, 2012, 11:05

On 24/07/12 19:36, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:41:59 -0400 webmaster-Kracked_P_P
<> wrote:
Anyone who really wants to learn how to use Linux as a replacement
for Windows, try dual booting a system if you do not have a spare one
to try Linux with as its only OS.

The other option for the odd trip back to windows is virtualisation.
Mostly, you can tell the system to let windows use a device as if you
had booted into windows


Keith Bainbridge
PO Box 324
BELMONT Vic 3216 Australia
      +61 (0)408 522 706

Visualization also has the added benefit of a shared clipboard and being
able to work on the same data at the same time (well nearly).

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