Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?

Ken, Heinrich and Tom,
thank you for your kind replies.
(and Andreas, you seem to know a lot and do a good job helping us 
'dummies' so please, try to not be so aggressive!)

Sorry - I'm getting old and forget easily the obvious:
>    my systems are:  LibO3.4.5 on a laptop Win7Prem.Home/64bit and 
LibO3.4.6 on a PC Win7Prof/32bit
>    my LibO usage:  most interested in Base (with embedded HSQL and/or 
connected to an external db), and then Calc (various economic, technical 
and other calcs) and to some extend Writer (together with MSWord; 
letters, protocols, memos, etc).

Tom, as you see, I have obeyed your advice last winter and installed 
Lib3.4.6 but am now curious on if there is something even better.

Sounds like there is wrong kind of people in BoD, to sit&wait is not the 
most effective way to get things done.
It is a shame to let Base not being completed, when there is so very 
little left to get it working as promised in the LibO's introductions; 
the same is for the LibO-Base's documentation (Dan' drafts 2010 for 
OO-Base!).

As it is now LibO and it's Base-module is only causing frustration -- it 
should be better to remove the module from the package until it has been 
completed and is working properly.
Best regards
Pertti Rönnberg


On 4.6.2012 18:25, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> Thanks for your kind words :) 
>
> Simplest answer is grab the 3.4.6 now if you don't already have LO on your system. 
>
> If you already have LO then wait 4 weeks until the release of 3.5.5 on the 8th July or else just test-drive 3.5.4 for yourself and decide for yourself. 
>
> Annoyingly there isn't really a simple Y/n type answer.  It depends what you need it for, what functionality you want 
> and all that sort of thing.  Is a spoon better than a fork?  That type of thing.  It's a bit like watching tennis or 
> going to a pantomime at the moment!  ("Oh yes it is", "Oh no it isn't")
>
> In both previous branches the .4 was when the branch suddenly settled down a LOT and became a LOT more stable.  Unfortunately we wont know for certain until tons of people have been using it for a while.  We can't read the future!  Tons of people have been using the 3.4.6 for quite a few weeks with very few grumbles reaching this list. 
>
> I guess each "sub-point release" is kinda like half a "Service Pack".  So, 3.5.4 is like saying 3.5 with SP2.  Of course LO fans would say that each sub-point release is like a whole Service Pack so it's like 3.5 SP4 but in terms of comparing with other projects where SP2 is about where the project becomes stable i would say that it's the .4 in LO.  But we haven't really quantified this objectively yet.  It just seems to be the way it's playing out so far. 
>
>
> Base still doesn't seem to have many people working on it.  TDF's BoD seem to have too many other issues to worry about and still haven't grabbed the steering-wheel and taken charge.  They are still unwilling to put any resources or imagination into sorting it out.  At the moment their plan for it is to sit&wait to see if one of our supporter companies (Redhat, Google, Canonical etc) magically becomes interested and starts sorting it. 
> Regards from
> Tom :) 
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/6/12, Pertti Rönnberg<ptjr@elisanet.fi>  wrote:
>
> From: Pertti Rönnberg<ptjr@elisanet.fi>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is 3.5.4 ready for business users?
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Monday, 4 June, 2012, 15:25
>
> Dear you LibO folks,
> I have now wasted a lot of time reading some 30 mails in this thread - it was of no use because 
> most of them did not
> handle neither give an answer to the original very relevant question:     "Is 3.5.4 ready for business 
> users?"
>
> So, what is the conclusion - if there is any?
> Is 3.5.4. ready for business use, or not -- if not, what version is then in every way at least as or 
> more reliable as e.g. MSOffice&  MSAccess?
> >      the MSO's license fees are peanuts compared with lost efficiency (and costs) if a company's 
> > office personnel must struggle with LibO's bugs and issues many hours many days per week per month 
> > -- and the company has to employ or buy some extra it-resources for that  (and fixing new problems 
> > coming with new versions every 'second day')
> >       no company can afford bad quality or inflexibility in communication with customers caused by 
> > a not-working office program (LibO?)
> >      MSO is no doubt the 90% market leader and is most certainly used by any company's most 
> > important customers/contacts -- and the rest 10% will follow the majority every time they have to
> Three weeks ago in another thread I put an similar question asking what is the best LibO version 
> today for a private/home user -- a home user does not have it-experts or own skills in programming 
> to rely on but has the same need of a troublefree program.
> Thanks to Tom and Andreas for their kindness to answer; but neither of them gave me an exact recommendation: 
> "that version is what you need"!
>
> Perhaps that 'business ready version' of LibO could be the one for me too.
> If there is no such a reliable version (not for business nor for home) then stop developing for a 
> while and make one:  better to have a perfectly well working program with less features than one 
> with plenty of fantastic features that does not work and that produces problems already when being 
> installed!
> Please, start with fixing Base!
> Regards
> Pertti Rönnberg
>
>
> On 4.6.2012 3:49, Andreas Säger wrote:
> > Am 04.06.2012 00:59, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Andreas' and e-letter's answer is to tell people that to use LO they must stop communicating with 
> > > anyone that uses MS Office, so that is all their customers and clients, their colleagues, their 
> > > boss and people that work for them, their family and friends.
> >
> > Are you going to start a flame war against me? Be careful, pal. Your assertion is without any 
> > substance.
>
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