Am 29.02.2012 18:15, Dan Lewis wrote:
This thread for the most part is exactly what should not be part of
this mailing list.
Would you please visit us at
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/index.php next time?
What would most people who are new to Base think after reading the
negative comments about Base? Statements about how hard it is to learn
(comparing learning at least some of it to the difficulty of learning a
new language). No one seems to be able to give references that would
help. (No one has so far.)
You should read what people think after trying to work with Base in a
user interface that suggests something very similar to MS Access.
Everybody working through the ungrateful topics of Base support has to
put things straight regarding what Base is and what it's not.
Drew Jensen is the single person who deserves all merits that some
people (including me) found their way to do very productive things with
this office suite's database connectivity.
Actually it is easy enough to access arbitrary table data beyond file
format issues in order to make them appear in our office documents (once
you got used to the fact that in most cases a "database document" may
not contain any database). Slightly advanced users can prepare data
sources and queries that are easy to use by the less capable users. Your
letter template may use some Name-Address-ZIP-City query from a MySQL
server and then you advise the end user to use another
Name-Address-ZIP-City query from a plain text file you created this
morning. The end user does not notice any difference between MySQL
server and plain text when he reconnects his letter to another data
Building a simple database application with data flowing from the office
suite back to some connected database takes a conception of the database
you are going to write to. This expert knowledge is beyond the scope of
most users and it has nothing to do with ODF documents. It takes
extremely complex tools to assist laymen in this effort. Even the
expensive database suites can not do that much when you are not aware of
some theoretical concepts.
First you have a relational database ready to use, then building some
ODF input forms to edit the relational data is no black art. The minimum
tools are availlable in Writer, Calc, Draw, Impress. They are very
simple and "simple" is not the same as "easy". The design process
involves user-ability rather than usability.
The resulting forms, reports and mail merge templates work very well for
"my users" and me. "My users" refers to a group of rather computer
illiterate professionals who need to write lots of info snippets into
protocols, memos, inventories and serial letters collecting some 100
records per day in a small business network of 6 personal computers.
If LibreOffice would drop 90% of "Base", keeping the mere connectivity,
the primitive query parser and ODF forms, we could still work with it in
the same way as we do today. All the convenient but misleading rubbish
built around the core functionality is obsolete.
Base should start again where OOo 2.0 left the well thought concept of
Wrapping portable databases in extensions rather than documents would
solve all the data loss problems of the embedded database.
Reduce to the max!
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