Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Tell me it's not true

On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 10:01 -0500, drew jensen wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-02-29 at 13:36 +0000, e-letter wrote:
> > On 29/02/2012, Andreas Säger <villeroy@t-online.de> wrote:
> > > Almost nothing has changed since then, except for fixing things that
> > > should have been working right from the start 9 years ago.
> > > The Base developers wasted too much time with useless wizards covering
> > > no more than 30% of the program's capabilities and with a "self
> > > contained database" document that is a caricature of a database (unsafe,
> > > unsecure, low featured and slow).
> > > Base is best when you ignore most of its tools and helpers relying
> > > entirely on your own skills and on the capabilities of the underlying
> > > database driver.
> >
> > Interesting; suggests that base exists just to answer the question by
> > m$ fans: "where is the equivalent to acce$$?
>
> well, think what you want...though I will say this - one of the root
> causes of Base's woes can be tied IMO to the first sentence in the
> original design specification, to paraphrase from it "...because users
> are too stupid to.....". 
>
> Starting from the premise that users are stupid it is not surprising
> that Base ended up the way it did. 
>
> xoxo,
>
> //drew

     This thread for the most part is exactly what should not be part of
this mailing list. The attitudes are horrible with very little said in a
positive way. Yes, why have Base? Why have a Base Guide? The person who
wrote a suggested outline for the Base Guide is among this group. With
this attitude, how could the outline be what it should be? Does it
suffer the same attitude problem? Besides, what purpose would it serve
given the comments about Base?
     What would most people who are new to Base think after reading the
negative comments about Base? Statements about how hard it is to learn
(comparing learning at least some of it to the difficulty of learning a
new language). No one seems to be able to give references that would
help. (No one has so far.)
     Recently there was a long thread that began with a problem with a
large spreadsheet. One of the early comments was that the data should
have been in a database. Now, it appears that that comment should have
been: you should be using a database but don't use Base. Strange very
little help was give as to how Calc could be used. So, it sounds like to
me that the advice seems to be: limit your use of Calc and DON'T USE
Base.
     OK, I have had my say. I will likely delete any replies that come
from this thread because I have seen people justify their actions in the
past threads. This is suppose to be a list to help others, and their
comments are not likely to do that. Besides, any replies to me need to
consist of references for getting the most from Base. Other than help in
learning more about how to use it, I don't need.

--Dan


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