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On 11/28/2011 10:23 AM, Quinn Heagy wrote:
I think a good way would be to have the user able to change between a
"classic" and a "new" look.

Also, with Windows 8 - it looks pretty much the same as Windows 7 for a
normal desktop.  It has the new look for touch enabled computers, but they
can still use the old look.

If a user needs to get some work done in a good amount of time, then they
can use the classic look, and just mess around with the new look when they
have free time.  They could then choose whichever look they wanted to use.
I problem with Unity/Gnome 3/Windows 8 is that the default look is the new look not the "old, staid" look that users are comfortable with. Since the changes were fairly radical for each many users were not happy because they could not use the "old" way without major headaches.

Personally I am not fond of Unity and am warming to Gnome 3 (Mint has a very interesting implementation that combines both the old and new.
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:16 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<
webmaster@krackedpress.com>  wrote:

The big thing we need to learn from current desktop design changes, is the
fact that if the redesigns are too radical or too much different from what
users are use to, then it will "turn users away" from our product.

The change from MSO's old menu design to the new one is something that
caused users issues and was a concern for IT departments to be able to
handle the tech calls asking for help finding where all their "normal menus
went to".  If LO changes too much from the "traditional" look, then we will
have the same problem.  If there is a change in menu look and feel, then it
needs to be a slow one.  People are dumping Ubuntu to go to Mint, due to
Unity's change of the way their "classic" desktop was used.  IT was too
radical of a change for many users.  MS is going to have the same issue
with the way Win 8 is designed.

We must not change too much too soon.

Our users will not want to have to relearn how to use LO.  I will not like
to relearn how to use LO.

One of our early selling points for OOo and LO over MSO 2007, was the fact
that MSO changed the way their menus were used.  We had a more classic menu
system that was easier to use than MSO 2007.  We were the easier package[s]
to use.  That was what got some of my users to switch to OOo back then.
  They did not like the change that MSO had for their menus and other look
and feel issues.

We do not want to become the same thing.  We do not want LO users go to
back to OOo because we changed the look and feel of LO where it is no
longer easy to use.




On 11/28/2011 09:35 AM, Quinn Heagy wrote:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/**2011/11/citrus-a-libreoffice-**
interface-for-today/<http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/citrus-a-libreoffice-interface-for-today/>
That's the post that I was talking about.

On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:26 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<
webmaster@**krackedpress.com<webmaster@krackedpress.com>>   wrote:

  What is "OMGUbuntu!"?
I know that there were some code changes to make LibreOffice work better
with the Unity desktop that Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10 has as its default
desktop.  GNOME 3.x is moving towards the way Unity looks, according to
what I have read, as well.

So could "Citrus" be a part of that new look and feel that Unity desktop
and Win 8 is going to?  I hate Unity, and Win 8's desktop seems to be a bad
idea that will be a nightmare for Windows users to relearn.

On 11/28/2011 09:03 AM, Quinn Heagy wrote:

I noticed that the heading on OMGUbuntu! was a new design idea for
LibreOffice called Citrus. It mentioned the mailing list, so I signed up.
If anyone could give me more info on when and if this new design is going
to be implemented, I'd be thankful.


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