Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: New design

Hi :)
We do.  We ask people to get involved with the decision making at all levels in TDF.  Hmmm, well 
probably that is mostly the other lists but we do ask occasionally.  Don't forget that a lot of 
those "users" are really us, or become us even if we disagree and argue with each other 
occasionally.  It's not like a proprietary thing where there is a clear distinction between users 
and people that that manage the project.  Each new person that starts getting involved changes the 
project and changes what "us" means.  There is not really an them&us here.  It's one of the 
exciting things about the project imo.  
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jay Lozier <jslozier@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: New design
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 17:47
> On 11/29/2011 12:13 PM, Jonathan
> Hudson wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:47:23 -0500, Jay Lozier wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/29/2011 04:29 AM, e-letter wrote:
> > > > On 28/11/2011, doug<dmcgarrett@optonline.net>   wrote:
> > > > > If LO becomes like Unity you will surely
> drive me back to Windows, where
> > > > > I can use WordPerfect, whcih I prefer
> anyway.
> > > Knock off the flame - the relative merits of a
> distro is not the real
> > > issue. The issue is how to improve the LO UI. The
> only reasons Unity and
> > > Gnome 3 would be important are lessons that could
> be used from their
> > > experiences. Note Gnome 3 is used on a number
> distros with acerbic
> > > comments by users about wanting classic Gnome.
> > And by quiet people who love it and would not lightly
> go back to G2.
> > -jh
> Myself, I dislike Unity so far and have been warming to
> Gnome 3 particularly with Mint's additions or when using a
> dock for quick access. However this is a personal, ascetic
> reason not particularly technical. I actually like G2.
>
> The issue is how to manage updating/upgrading the UI so
> people have choices. What I like or find very useful another
> may find to be pointless bloat. This issue is how to manage
> the options so enough are present for the mythical average
> user and for the "power" users to be content.
>
> I recognize this is difficult to do. The complaints about
> Unity and Gnome 3 are an indication that this is not easy to
> do. My comment is that we should pay attention to the
> experience and try to find a better way forward not that I
> have a particular objection. There will a tension among
> users who feel almost any UI we use is dated and staid and
> those who find the current UI is very comfortable.
>
> Possibly a better approach would be to ask users,
> particularly Linux users, who have seen recent UI changes in
> an OS what why they liked or disliked about the changes.
> Also, ask how they would handle the changes. Some of the
> issues will be ascetic and some technical/hardware (size of
> monitor, etc).
>
> -- Jay Lozier
> jslozier@gmail.com
>
>
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