Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Top Posting... Can we have an LO MailingListGuidelines Page?

On 09/10/2011 09:59 AM, Twayne wrote:
> In
> news:1910892523-1315498044-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1807574881-@b2.c1.bise7.blackberry,
> Onyeibo Oku<twohotis@gmail.com>  typed:
> > Sorry, this is another top-post. I agree totally but you
> > need to give people benefit of doubt too (like in my case
> > ... I'm mobile and the mail app on this phone is
> > hardcoded to push all quotes below the reply)
> >
> > Otherwise, I do bottom posts when I'm my desktop/laptop
> Sheesh! Speaking of lazy; it takes exactly 2 keystrokes to from the
> top/bottom to the bottom/top of any post or e-mail. CTRL HomeOREnd does the
> job!
>
> You won't have any luck in changing the bottom-posting preferences as it's
> long established that the wishes of the masses will not change for the
> wishes of the minorities simply for the minor convenience you present.

Hmmm, a couple of comments.

I dislike laptops because the keyboards are horrid compared to my 
standard keyboard. Pressing this key combination may be problematic. 
Still, perhaps it is lazy, but, that feels harsh to me.

If the entire mass of people preferred bottom posting, then top/bottom 
posting would rarely come up on the list. Every company where I have 
worked, top posting is used (every company has used OUTLOOK, and that is 
how the computers are pre-configured). Most of the people that I email 
on a regular basis top post, not bottom post. I expect, however, that 
top posting is strongly preferred for personal correspondence, because 
the only time that bottom posting seems to be advantageous is if you see 
an email message for the first time after there have already been 
numerous responses. In that case, it is easier to read from top to 
bottom. If you have been following the thread, however, then bottom 
posting is less efficient and annoying (and no email software supports 
positioning the view to the first non-quoted text).

I only see top/bottom posting comments on OOo/LO related email lists. 
Never noticed it mentioned on the other lists to which I subscribe. 
Hmmm, I should take a look.

Argyll mailing list, I see almost exclusively top posting.

On the GIMP documentation mailing list, it seems to be mostly top 
posting and some interspersed.

GNOME mailing list seems to have a large number of bottom posts, but, 
most are interspersed and some of the long time posters are top posters.

I did not check Apache, but, I think that the Apache lists recently 
mentioned something about this, so, I expect that they have a preference 
for bottom posting as well, but, I cannot swear to it.

I can't say I ever paid it much mind until I saw people get all riled up 
about it.

If you want bottom posting, and only bottom posting, then LO should make 
that as a clear decision and then that should be communicated when you 
sign up, and, it should be posted on a FAQ. Then, when some uninformed 
person top posts, a nicely worded response that bottom posting is 
recommended on LO mailing lists, and then provide a link to terms of 
usage that states this. The important item, however, is that these 
uninformed people be treated nicely and that their questions are 
answered. It is counter-productive to the project to provide a response 
to their question only to berate them without answering their question.

> > ---------------------------------------------
> > from twohot@device.mobile :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mihamina Rakotomandimby<mihamina@rktmb.org>
> > Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 16:10:50
> > To:<users@global.libreoffice.org>
> > Reply-To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Top Posting... Can we
> > have an LO Mailing
> > List Guidelines Page?
> >
> > On 09/08/2011 03:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press
> > Productions wrote:
> > > For long threads, scrolling down to the bottom to read
> > > the new stuff is a pain.
> > Because your correspondants did not trim the message, as
> > I just did for
> > yours: I just select the line I want to answer and click
> > on "reply".
> > It keeps (quotes) just the selected line.
> >
> > Your MUA does not? Use a clever one.
> Sheesh! Speaking of lazy; it takes exactly 2 keystrokes to from the
> top/bottom to the bottom/top of any post or e-mail. CTRL HomeOREnd does the
> job!
>
> You won't have any luck in changing the bottom-posting preferences as it's
> long established that the wishes of the masses will not change for the
> wishes of the minorities simply for the minor convenience you present. You
> have three volations in just this one post, in fact!
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`

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