Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to select extension dictionary for spellchecking

Hi

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 08:32 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productions wrote: 

> On 08/05/2011 12:22 AM, planas wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 23:49 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
> > Productions wrote:
> >
> > > So, would it be better to use the Oxford English or the British English
> > > form of spelling?  Here in the USA, if we do not use "proper American
> > > spelling" our papers are rejected for sloppiness.  I wrote "colour" once
> > > instead of "color" and the professor was upset with me.  My 20 pound
> > > [weight] dictionary had the English spelling first, so I used it.  I did
> > > not know better in those days before computer were smaller than a normal
> > > car or truck.
> > >
> > > So do we use en_GB or en_GB-oed as the default one for "Queen and
> > > Country"?  I think use Americans sometimes spell our words differently
> > > so we can be different after we broke away from British rule.
> > >
> > > LibreOffice's Tools>Language Settings>Languages>Localized --->  has 14
> > > different listing for English.  More languages than there are versions I
> > > can find to install or are in the install .deb files.
> > >
> > > http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/US_English_April-19-2011-dic-file.oxt
> > > is the link to one that has the most up-to-date .dic file I could find.
> > > I found the file and updated the original .oxt file with it.  Maybe
> > > someone could do that for en_GB-oed to my it better and more up-to-date
> > > than from a 2005 .dic file [which the one linked to before from OOo's
> > > site has].
> > >
> > > Actually 500 years ago, most people could not read.  So knowing how to
> > > spell was not important.
> > >
> > > Actually look at the number of different France/French language versions
> > > - 4 of them - plus a few localized ones that no longer are called French
> > > since they are so different.
> > >
> > > 20+ Spanish dictionaries are in the list I have at:
> > > http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict .  All localized
> > > to a country which uses it.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 08/04/2011 05:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > I think 500 years ago there wasn't even an agreed standard way of spelling any
> > > > word.  Shakespeare wrote his own name with many different spellings during his
> > > > life.  I did think that ise had been "THE English way" for a LOT longer tho!
> > > > lol.  Languages have to evolve and adapt to changing requirements.
> > > >
> > > > Regards from
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<webmaster@krackedpress.com>
> > > > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 20:55:36
> > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to select extension dictionary for
> > > > spellchecking
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So you are saying that the British English use of -ise instead of -ize is a new
> > > > thing that is just a new way of spelling words that have been around, a new
> > > > localized [or is it localised] way?
> > > >
> > > > I use American English which spells colour as color.  But this is the first time
> > > > I have heard of the -ise/-ize issue.  Well they always say language involves.
> > > > Take English in Britain about 500 years ago.  The same words, but different
> > > > spellings.
> > > >
> > > > So should I dump en_GB in favor en_GB-oed version?
> > > > Should I not include en_CA or en_GB[oed] in my dictionary list in the USA?
> > > > I know that one .oxt dictionary add-on that includes many different English
> > > > files.
> > > > Should people not use that type?
> > > >
> > > > en_GB-oed .dic file has 46,113 words in its word list.  The Wiki page shows
> > > > "analyse" in en_GB-oed and "analyze" in en_US.  Well in the oed .dic file I
> > > > cannot find "analyse".  Below is the word list where that word should be
> > > > located, but it is not.
> > > > --------------------
> > > > ample/PT
> > > > amplification/M
> > > > anarchy/3Ww1SM
> > > > anastigmatic
> > > > Andaman/M
> > > > aneroid
> > > > Anglican/MS
> > > > --------------------
> > > >
> > > > I found the word
> > > >       analyse in the en_GB .dic file dated 2010-02-15
> > > >       analyze in the en_CA .dic file dated 2010-02-15
> > > >       but neither spelling in the en_GB-eod version dated 2005-06-13.
> > > > So the "eod" version has not kept up with what the Wiki page link shows for
> > > > Oxford English.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, you could always edit a word list and keep only the spellings that
> > > > Oxford English excepts.  As I understand, the complete Oxford dictionary
> > > > contains 20 volumes/books to hold all the words and definitions.  I have a word
> > > > list of over 200,000 words, but would you want to have a word processor spell
> > > > checker dictionary with all those words, or only the ones you really want to
> > > > use?  The more words in the list, the more chances that your misspelled words
> > > > are correct spelling for a different unwanted word.  There is not good way
> > > > around it, except edit your word list to remove the words that are not spelled
> > > > correctly for your localized version of the language.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 08/04/2011 10:18 AM, ron.vandenbranden wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday 4 August 2011 15:12:21, krackedpress [via Document
> > > > > Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> > > > > > Could someone tell me what it the difference between the standard en_GB
> > > > > > and the OED [Oxford English] version?
> > > > > Maybe I should clarify my problem: I regularly have to edit articles
> > > > > for publication in a journal that conforms to Oxford Spelling
> > > > > (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling>), which differs on some
> > > > > points from regular BE spelling, e.g.: only forms in -ize are allowed.
> > > > > In order to facilitate spell checking, I installed the OED extension
> > > > > from<http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/1890>. Though the
> > > > > extension is successfully installed (and listed by the Extension
> > > > > Manager), there's apparently no way to select this dictionary for
> > > > > spellchecking with the LibreOffice (3.4.2) interface, so I have
> > > > > resorted to manually overwriting an installed dictionary with the OED
> > > > > version.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, it's really a matter of being able to che
> > > > > ck the spelling with a
> > > > > specific English locale, rather than facing a flawed en_GB dictionary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > I think Noah Webster more or less standardized US spelling. I do not
> > think he was trying anything anti-English but trying make the spelling
> > somewhat more systematic. But English spelling is wacky anyway.
> Well Webster had to have some protocols to go by to change British or 
> Oxford English spelling to American English spelling.  Why did "colour" 
> loose the "u" to become "color" if the original spelling was the 
> standard English spelling?  There seems to be too many words that are 
> spelled differently in the USA, but are spelled the same in England, 
> Canada, and most of the former English colonies.
>
> Modern English has its roots in several different ancient languages used 
> by the Anglo and other large tribal peoples, merged into one initial 
> proto-English.  Then over the century other languages, like French, 
> Spanish, and German, gave English many of its words for English to make 
> part of what we now call Modern English.  As I understand it, in 
> 1800-1900 there were maybe 100,000 to 200,000 words in the English 
> language [including the rarely used ones], while the last time I heard 
> [sometime between 2000 and 2008] English has over 500,000 words.  The 
> Oxford Dictionary is now 20 volumes.  Plus every year Webster's 
> Dictionary "announces" the new words that are "officially" added to the 
> English language and placed into their dictionary.  SO, the English 
> language is growing and changing all the time.  There even are words 
> that have been removed from "Modern English" since they are no longer 
> used or the spelling has changed so much.  They are still in the 
> unabridge versions, but not in the "smaller" versions anymore.

I have heard that English has the largest total vocabulary of any
language in the world because English speakers will borrow a useful word
for the locals if it does a better job than the common English words.
Wadi and arroyo are a couple of examples. Also, I believe English lacks
an organization that decrees what can and cannot be in English.

-- 
Jay Lozier
jslozier@gmail.com

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