Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to select extension dictionary for spellchecking

Hi

On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 23:49 -0400, webmaster for Kracked Press
Productions wrote: 

> So, would it be better to use the Oxford English or the British English 
> form of spelling?  Here in the USA, if we do not use "proper American 
> spelling" our papers are rejected for sloppiness.  I wrote "colour" once 
> instead of "color" and the professor was upset with me.  My 20 pound 
> [weight] dictionary had the English spelling first, so I used it.  I did 
> not know better in those days before computer were smaller than a normal 
> car or truck.
>
> So do we use en_GB or en_GB-oed as the default one for "Queen and 
> Country"?  I think use Americans sometimes spell our words differently 
> so we can be different after we broke away from British rule.
>
> LibreOffice's Tools>Language Settings>Languages>Localized ---> has 14 
> different listing for English.  More languages than there are versions I 
> can find to install or are in the install .deb files.
>
> http://libreoffice-na.us/English/add-on-dictionaries-large-list/US_English_April-19-2011-dic-file.oxt
> is the link to one that has the most up-to-date .dic file I could find.  
> I found the file and updated the original .oxt file with it.  Maybe 
> someone could do that for en_GB-oed to my it better and more up-to-date 
> than from a 2005 .dic file [which the one linked to before from OOo's 
> site has].
>
> Actually 500 years ago, most people could not read.  So knowing how to 
> spell was not important.
>
> Actually look at the number of different France/French language versions 
> - 4 of them - plus a few localized ones that no longer are called French 
> since they are so different.
>
> 20+ Spanish dictionaries are in the list I have at: 
> http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict .  All localized 
> to a country which uses it.
>
>
> On 08/04/2011 05:55 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > I think 500 years ago there wasn't even an agreed standard way of spelling any
> > word.  Shakespeare wrote his own name with many different spellings during his
> > life.  I did think that ise had been "THE English way" for a LOT longer tho!
> > lol.  Languages have to evolve and adapt to changing requirements.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<webmaster@krackedpress.com>
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Thu, 4 August, 2011 20:55:36
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: how to select extension dictionary for
> > spellchecking
> >
> >
> > So you are saying that the British English use of -ise instead of -ize is a new
> > thing that is just a new way of spelling words that have been around, a new
> > localized [or is it localised] way?
> >
> > I use American English which spells colour as color.  But this is the first time
> > I have heard of the -ise/-ize issue.  Well they always say language involves.
> > Take English in Britain about 500 years ago.  The same words, but different
> > spellings.
> >
> > So should I dump en_GB in favor en_GB-oed version?
> > Should I not include en_CA or en_GB[oed] in my dictionary list in the USA?
> > I know that one .oxt dictionary add-on that includes many different English
> > files.
> > Should people not use that type?
> >
> > en_GB-oed .dic file has 46,113 words in its word list.  The Wiki page shows
> > "analyse" in en_GB-oed and "analyze" in en_US.  Well in the oed .dic file I
> > cannot find "analyse".  Below is the word list where that word should be
> > located, but it is not.
> > --------------------
> > ample/PT
> > amplification/M
> > anarchy/3Ww1SM
> > anastigmatic
> > Andaman/M
> > aneroid
> > Anglican/MS
> > --------------------
> >
> > I found the word
> >      analyse in the en_GB .dic file dated 2010-02-15
> >      analyze in the en_CA .dic file dated 2010-02-15
> >      but neither spelling in the en_GB-eod version dated 2005-06-13.
> > So the "eod" version has not kept up with what the Wiki page link shows for
> > Oxford English.
> >
> > Of course, you could always edit a word list and keep only the spellings that
> > Oxford English excepts.  As I understand, the complete Oxford dictionary
> > contains 20 volumes/books to hold all the words and definitions.  I have a word
> > list of over 200,000 words, but would you want to have a word processor spell
> > checker dictionary with all those words, or only the ones you really want to
> > use?  The more words in the list, the more chances that your misspelled words
> > are correct spelling for a different unwanted word.  There is not good way
> > around it, except edit your word list to remove the words that are not spelled
> > correctly for your localized version of the language.
> >
> >
> > On 08/04/2011 10:18 AM, ron.vandenbranden wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts.
> > >
> > > On Thursday 4 August 2011 15:12:21, krackedpress [via Document
> > > Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> > > > Could someone tell me what it the difference between the standard en_GB
> > > > and the OED [Oxford English] version?
> > > Maybe I should clarify my problem: I regularly have to edit articles
> > > for publication in a journal that conforms to Oxford Spelling
> > > (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling>), which differs on some
> > > points from regular BE spelling, e.g.: only forms in -ize are allowed.
> > > In order to facilitate spell checking, I installed the OED extension
> > > from<http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/node/1890>. Though the
> > > extension is successfully installed (and listed by the Extension
> > > Manager), there's apparently no way to select this dictionary for
> > > spellchecking with the LibreOffice (3.4.2) interface, so I have
> > > resorted to manually overwriting an installed dictionary with the OED
> > > version.
> > >
> > > So, it's really a matter of being able to che
> > > ck the spelling with a
> > > specific English locale, rather than facing a flawed en_GB dictionary.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
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I think Noah Webster more or less standardized US spelling. I do not
think he was trying anything anti-English but trying make the spelling
somewhat more systematic. But English spelling is wacky anyway.

-- 
Jay Lozier
jslozier@gmail.com

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