Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

Hi :)
The MS formats; docX, doc and rtf are no better on any of those counts.  Plus, 
since MS are so secretive about the was they mis-handle them there is no way to 
implement them the same in non-MS software.  Stuff written in older versions of 
MS get messed up when read in newer versions.  There is no way that the 
situation will ever improve since it's one of the ways MS convinces people to 
buy their newer products.  


ODF is a complete contrast.  It's not used as a marketing ploy to increase 
profits.  It is comparatively easy for people to find the specs that are being 
used  and implement it properly.  It is easy to file bug-reports and make 
complaints or feature requests or get involved with developments.  


Regards from
Tom :)




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From: Roland Hughes <roland@logikalsolutions.com>
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 15:28:09
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support

Tom tom tom tom tom....

The ODF spec is non-robust.  In truth, it is much like the current EPUB
spec, pathetic.  No two platforms have the same font set, nor do they
render them the same way.  WordPerfect fixed this years ago by expanding
their format to include full font information.  They had the same
rendering engine on multiple platforms, and yes, it actually rendered
the same way, not like that pathetic thing IBM is using for Symphony
now, which only works on Windows.

Until the ODF spec includes support for embedding all fonts used in the
document, AND A SINGLE RENDERING ENGINE WHICH WORKS THE SAME ON ALL
PLATFORMS COMPLETELY DIVORCED FROM CURRENT/LOCAL PRINTER SETTINGS, it's
not portable.

During the days of DOS, most fonts were provided by printers, not the OS
or the application.  Word processors like WordPerfect had to be tightly
coupled to the printer, especially the 24-pin dot matrix printers, in
order to create documents for lawyers (still WP's primary market.)  Once
networks were introduced things got hinky, but, most word processors
still have some switch somewhere, usually more than one, which turns on
enhanced screen formatting based upon current default printer.

I haven't went and looked for these switches in Libre Office, but will
be my last Mt. Dew they are there in the code.  I've seen the physical
evidence.  When I'm writing one of my geek books
(http://www.theminimumyouneedtoknow.com) and decided to print out a
single page/chart to keep beside me while working, I print it on the old
T65 clunker on my desk.  The capabilities of this tiny HP OfficeJet are
no where near my default Optra S 1855 tank that I use for full book
printing.  All I have to do is print one page to this T65 and Libre
Office halts for a while, then you notice the text shift on the page and
that your page count is different.  

It's just &(^)(&)(8ing lovely.

There is nothing I would rather do in life than spend days fixing page
breaks I've already fixed N times before.




On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 14:01 +0100, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> Since we have no control over how MS mishandles their implementation of MS 
> formats it would surely be better to convince people to switch to ODF formats.
>
> People are happy to download pdfs and then click on the button to download the 

> latest pdf reader from Adobe.  We could be pushing the ODF formats in the same 

> way and for very similar reasons, ie that documents don't get screwed-up when 
> everyone uses ODF.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: tracey002 <wpiis@gte.net>
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Fri, 1 July, 2011 20:59:54
> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: RTF support
>
> > They do not care if the "default" format is an open standard or a 
> > proprietary format.
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of 
> > the older format out of luck. 
> You are right: User A just wants to send a document to User B without an 
> hassle (and vise versa).
>
> Which is a good reason for Libre Office to do a better job at handling 
> MS docs than MS does.
> It would be noteworthy if the folks at MS Office Applications starting 
> to get concerned about the developments at Libre Office.
> Tracey
>
> Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 16:25 +0100, Mark Stanton wrote:
> >
> > > I don't (entirely) disagree with you on the dirty trick front.
> > > But what an interesting world we live in when an unpleasantly dirty
> > > trick like that is seen as a legitimate tool...
> > >
> > > Mark Stanton
> > > One small step for mankind...
> >
> > Part of the "dirty tricks" come from not understanding your customers'
> > needs. Most office suite users are only interested in file formats so
> > they share documents with others. In fact they would rather have on
> > "default" format. They do not care if the "default" format is an open
> > standard or a proprietary format.
> >
> > MS has changed the doc(x) format several time which leaves users of the
> > older format out of luck.
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