Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Ideas wanted for "How we're different" part of new LibreOffice website

Hi Marc,

I'm a huge fan of Project Libre in general, although the aesthetics have
always seemed a little off to me, such as the large logo in the left corner
and the icons used, nit picking I guess and  just a personal opinion.

What I wanted to highlight from this post is that there are a number of
complementary FLOSS projects that could naturally work together with some
collaboration. This would benefit everyone, I read a mail also a few weeks
ago about the ex maintainer of Mozilla Thunderbird creating a soft fork
(Betterbird) that is more focused and quicker to resolve bugs while
sticking to upstream.

If all these projects support and promote each other then you will be
greater than the sum of your parts. I think when municipalities and
organisations are looking for replacements for Microsoft Office you need a
wider spread of software and some cross promotion will make all of these
projects more appropriate.

You are all pushing in the same direction and this makes a whole lot of
sense. This could be a topic for the Document Foundation to consider. Maybe
there should be a section dedicated to this on the LibreOffice website?

I believe there is something similar for the FLOSS design productivity
applications GIMP, Inkscape, KRITA etc.

Kind regards,

James

On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 18:06 Marc O'Brien, <mobrien@projectlibre.com> wrote:

> Congratulations Kannan!  Those are terrific numbers…..
>
> I have been a long time admirer of LibreOffice but have not commented much
> hope this helps…...On the topic of this thread: LibreOffice is my default
> desktop application.  IMO,  the ProjectLibre approach is actually quite
> similar to your issues.  We say that ProjectLibre is an “alternative” or
> “replaces” Microsoft Project.    Both, LibreOffice and ProjectLibre don’t
> have 100% parity as Microsoft integrates SharePoint and other solutions.
> However, for the core desktop word processing, spreadsheets or
> presentations you have an alternative.  We both have the advantage of
> running on Linux, macOS or Windows and since both of us have file
> compatibility makes it a viable alternative.  The simple messaging of being
> a replacement/alternative seems to resonate.
>
> There are many people for practical purposes or security prefer the
> desktop.  Again, this is my opinion but Google Docs and Sheets are a tough
> target for competitive comparison (Colabra) so focusing on the desktop
> replacement with the marketing message more direct as a replacement of
> proprietary Office software or explicitly replacing Microsoft Office.
>
> I am a big fan of the work you do at LibreOffice!  If any ideas resonate
> can jump on a call and further discuss.  If I am off base will retreat into
> the woods again :-)
>
> All the best,
>
> Marc
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> On Dec 6, 2021, at 7:00 AM, Kannan Moudgalya <kannan@iitb.ac.in> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We have been conducting training on the use of LibreOffice in India.  The
> training involves downloading LibreOffice and practising.  We could not
> have done this with MS Office - how could we afford so many licenses?  The
> number of people we trained are:
>
> Writer - 440,000
> Calc - 380,000
> Impress - 301,000
> Base - 230,000
> Draw - 106,000
> Math - 85,000
>
> One can gather these details from this URL:
> https://spoken-tutorial.org/statistics/training/
>
> Regards,
> Kannan
>
>
> On 06/12/21 7:15 pm, Parthasarathy Narasimhan wrote:
>
>  Hi All,
> I am a new user of Libreoffice. I am attending an Executive MBA course
> where the course is being taught using MSXL and the topic is statistics. I
> see this is one area where the screen input functionality between XL and
> Libre differs.
> Like XL shows more parameters on the screen for the student to input while
> it seems Libre might be defaulting.
> Just thought of sharing.
> Regards,Partha
>
>     On Monday, December 6, 2021, 06:39:52 PM GMT+5:30, James Harking <
> james.harking@gmail.com> wrote:
>    Hi all,
>
> I agree with this for the most part, I think direct comparison are
> difficult as the applications you can compare directly Word to Writer,
> Excel to Calc and PowerPoint to Impress is not the totality of Microsoft
> Office. So there is a significant short coming there.
>
> We do have Base and Math although I'm not sure how popular and used these
> components are. Interoperability is a very important consideration that
> currently hinders adoption in my humble opinion. Although things have
> certainly improved. I also think the current user interface is a major
> downside for many people and a criticism I hear leveled at LibreOffice in
> almost every discussion on LibreOffice in general.
>
> Where we do have the advantage is on the community and freedom aspects that
> truly separates LibreOffice from its proprietary counterparts. This is the
> area I would 'evangelise.' Although this might not be a major consideration
> for some as the Libre aspects might not outweigh the gratis aspect.
>
> King regards and greetings to all,
>
> James
>
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2021, 12:37 Shaun Bharth, <shaunpaulsingh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey hey,
>
> Idk but I think "User Stories" might be good to feature. The UX guys
> probably have done some research already before they generated their
> personas. This can form the basis of "Who LibreOffice was designed for".
> I'm not sure if a feature by feature comparison would actually be
> effective. My understanding is that people are emotional. Most people never
> use the full feature set of Microsoft Office. They use it because EVERYBODY
> DOES. My preference is to not compete directly per se with MS Office but as
> a complement. I think the existing angle is interoperability? That could
> work in the sense of MS Office at work, LibreOffice at home. "You're
> chained to the desk all day, why do it at home?" yada yada.
>
> Filipe's idea is quite a good one. I don't think Collabora has as much
> traction as LibreOffice and featuring them does help quite a bit i guess?
>
> Thanks!
> Shaun
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 1:28 AM Filipe Gomes Morgado <fgmzrr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Bearing in mind the topic, I would like to contribute with my opinion,
> which I think is very important to mention or express the facts:
>       - Open source or FOSS;
>       - LibreOffice runs on macOS, Linux, and Windows,
>       - “While The Document Foundation doesn't currently offer an Android
>
> or
>
> iOS version of LibreOffice, there is a LibreOffice-based product in app
> stores from Collabora, one of our certified developers and ecosystem
> members” at: https://www.libreoffice .org/download/android-and-ios/ .
> ---------------------------------x---------------------------------------
> Leaving the topic a bit, but not wanting to overlap the topic, I also
>
> think
>
> that a part related to support should be incorporated, or else in another
> document.
> Therefore, it should have a kind of table where, in an easy way and not
> dispersed over several places or web pages, information could be gauged
>
> in
>
> terms of support solutions. The numbers and names being just an example,
> something like:
>
> < 5 computers –> we recommend that at least 2 employees take a
> training/course at https://www.libreoffice.org/ , with the price xx€, or
> at
> the partner https://www.udemy.com/topic/libreoffice/ , with the price
>
> xx€.
>
> Or see https://www.documentfoundation.org/gethelp/trainers/ , priced
>
> from
>
> xx€ to xx€.
>
> 5 – 20 computers –> we recommend that you contact the Collabora partner,
> with the price xx€.
>
> 21 – xx –> Et Cetera … “17€/user per year” in
> https://www.collaboraoffice.com/subscriptions/ .
>
> This would have to involve the collaboration and contribution of
>
> ecosystem
>
> members, and it would have to be very easy to interpret in order to allow
> for decision making. Entrepreneurs don't mind paying, after all, they
> already pay for Microsoft Office, what they want is problems solved and
>
> not
>
> other problems, such as having to find scattered information.
> In my opinion, it would be a very useful tool to present the LO, it could
> have a link on the new - :) - webpage where it could be viewed or
> downloaded, and in case it was not consulted, it could be sent as an
> attachment in an email or still delivered by hand after printing, by
> someone who wants to publicize the LO.
> It would be - if  another document - an *Official* document -
>
> e-flyer/flyer
>
> -, with translations in several languages, to wake up to a later
> consultation that the entrepreneur or his collaborator would make in more
> depth at: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/feedback/ ;
> /community-support/ ; /professional-support/ , ...
>
> Cheers,
> Filipe.
> Filipe Gomes Morgado *is using:*
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