Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Design] Design team needs and Drupal site development

Hi Marc, Thorsten, *

Marc Paré schrieb:
> Le 2010-11-21 11:23, Thorsten Wilms a écrit :
> > [...]
> > Design vs Marketing, yes.
> >
> > If you apply some of the broader definitions, you can both conclude that
> > Design touches everything and also that Marketing touches everything.
> > Originally marketing may have been all about selling and design all
> > about look and haptics, but both are starting positions where you end up
> > covering the entire system if you run long enough.

But you don't need to run that far....

Of course there are inter-dependencies between marketing and design - 
quite similar to the links between development and QA or development and UX.

But this doesn't mean to make any unsolvable problems.
> > What if we try to avoid both terms?
> > (if not combined with a more specific field)

I think they cover quite clearly what they want to say, so I'd keep them.

Nevertheless we can think of different sub-segments as working fields 
for specified teams, but I think most of them can be easily subsumed 
under one of the categories (especially if we think of the Design 
sub-categories Visual Design and UX Design).
> > * Steering (mission statement and strategy go here)
Much broader than marketing and design - it covers the central points of 
branding and needs to be discussed in the entire community.

> > * Visual Identity (starting from the logo)
Design (Visual D)

> > * Market Research
Marketing

> > * Promotion (bound to have overlap with Visual Identity, sadly)
Marketing, by using resources from Design (Visual D)

> > * Relations (could have an internal partner, called Community)
Marketing (I'd like to see strengthening and broadening our community a 
central task for our marketing)

> > * Services (to outside the project)
not really clear to me what you mean: Product / user service? Marketing 
contacts? Links to software support providers?

> > * Documentation
Independent, but using Visual Design elements

> > * Infrastructure (contains website, similar to Services, but inside)
What does this contain besides website? Native-lang teams will have 
their own structure - I could imagine a place where they work together 
not only on L10N, but on infrastructure / NGO and other topics as well.
If this would be inside the marketing area depends on what they want to 
achieve.

> > * UX Design (solely for the product)
UX is broader - covers product and website. Even Design might be too 
small, as it reaches to all the development and coding areas.

But in Design it is easy to find.
> > [...]
> [...] The wiki worskpace should then be in
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Design <-- this is where
> you pronounce the reasons of Design

I don't think that creating very long lines of sub-categories will help 
us a lot. Therefore I already proposed

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design as part of the Marketing category

We might think of
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Visual_Design
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/UX_Design
but I'd prefer
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Visual_Design
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UX_Design
with Category:Design
> Then presumably if there were any pages to for Design purposes the wiki
> pages would be created here:
>
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Design/TheNameYouWant
>
> How does this sound?

Much too long paths!

Imagine we create one or two more sub-levels....

Only if the path is important to understand the topic of the page a 
sub-level should be created.

In all other circumstances categorizing the page in the relevant 
category leads to a better structure - and if a page covers two or more 
categories, sub-levels are no more applicable at all.

Best regards

Bernhard

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