Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15

Hi Eyal,

the meeting agenda is always announced in advance. This time it was on Wednesday 
what I assume to be possible for you. You could have sent a notice to postpone a 
topic.

Flagging tickets as to-be-discussed sounds easy but adds noise to the report and 
wouldn't solve your problem.

For the two topics from yesterday I think one was unanimously resolved/NAB and 
the other considered to not benefit the modification. Please don't understand 
input from UX as a gatekeeper to the development, you are free to reopen tickets 
and seek for response from other people.

Cheers,
Heiko

On 15.02.23 22:41, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
> Heiko, you again scheduled bugs of mine for a discussion without taking a moment 
> to check whether I can join the meeting.
>
> I asked you not to do that and I'm asking you again. This is unfair, especially 
> after I've explicitly asked that you not do that.
>
> The treatment of these bugs is usually entirely different based on whether I 
> attend the session or not. What seems to happen when I'm not there is that the 
> case for the issue is not made seriously, and thus objections or claims which I 
> would probably be able to convincingly rebut or disprove are stated and accepted 
> with no retort or objection.
>
> Now, I won't deny that this is not something specific to bugs I file: A user who 
> does not have design committee participant support from the get-go, and who does 
> not attend a committee session, will often not have any participant serve as the 
> advocate or champion for that bug / that user - and may not get a "fair shake" 
> in the evaluation of their bug.
>
> The difference in my case that you know that I can occasionally - but not always 
> nor most times - attend. And session agendae are announced just a single day in 
> advance, and not on the relevant bug pages - so, not enough time for me to 
> notice. Finally, it is usually the case that multiple bugs I have filed are 
> placed on the agenda for the same session, i.e. there are "Eyal's filings 
> sessions", which are scheduled without me being able to react.
>
> This is quite inappropriate and I again ask that you stop doing that. Either 
> ping me before scheduling my filings, or make the announcement a good number of 
> days in advance.
>
> Also, and for the benefit of other bug filers, it would not be a bad idea to 
> post a comment on the pages of bugs which are about to come up in committee, 
> about the upcoming committee session.
>
> Eyal
>
>
>
>
> On 15/02/2023 22:21, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Present: John, Cor, Heiko
> > Comments: Stuart, John, Pedro, Rafael
> >
> > Tickets/Topics
> >
> >   * Styles Preview should be able to show a grid of list
> >     styles (Tabbed UI)
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153525
> >     + a "More..." button could open the Stylist in the
> >       sidebar (Stuart, Heiko)
> >     + could be a small expander button on the lower right edge (Cor)
> >     + strong support for a Tabbed NB in general and completely
> >       implemented features in particular (John, Pedro, Rafael)
> >     + take the full space is easy to achieve, expanding into a list
> >       might a bit more difficult
> >     => do it
> >
> >   * Most bundled page styles are nonsensical and/or redundant
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153534
> >     + every single page style has a use case (Cor)
> >     + never had any problems with the list of page styles (John)
> >     + the (small) list can also be filtered (Heiko)
> >     => resolve WF/NAB
> >
> >   * Style organizer's "Next style"'s function not clear to user
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153600
> >     + label and help is clear (John)
> >     + labeling it "Next paragraph style" adds no information and
> >       it's reasonably clear what the dialog/label is talking
> >       about (Cor)
> >     => resolve WF/NAB
> >
> >   * Editing:- Feature Request "go to - special" feature needed
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149933
> >     + introduce function to search for special content like blanks,
> >       constants etc. sounds like a good idea (Cor)
> >     + would be a comfortable shortcut for many searches (Heiko)
> >     + alternatively we could have a special entry in the sidebar
> >       + would be inconsistent as blank evaluates data while the
> >         existing Navigator options detect model content (Cor)
> >     => do it
> >
> >   * Change "heading level" to "outline level"
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152605
> >       + see comment 14 for (tentatively accepted) proposal
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153499
> >       + use index level for index entry outlines
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153596
> >       + see also ToC dialog
> >     => consistency in naming is good, go for it
> >
> >   * Permit "No User Input" as a data validation which would then
> >     permit filter sorting
> >     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149497
> >     + reasonable request
> >     + (Standard/Auto-) Filter work on protected sheets
> >     + Sorting should work too, at least optional (Cor)
> >     + afraid of data integrity issues aka references to a certain
> >       cell that changes after sorting (Heiko)
> >     + option should not be at data validation but at the
> >       protect sheet dialog among the other exceptions (Heiko)
> >       + has the drawback that it applies to the whole sheet (Cor)
> >     => allow users to permit sorting

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