Aw: Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: Re: Re: Re: LibreColor-HLC palette

> Gesendet: Montag, 12. Dezember 2016 um 12:37 Uhr
> Von: "Michael Meeks" <michael.meeks@collabora.com>
> An: "Christoph Schäfer" <christoph-schaefer@gmx.de>, "Heiko Tietze" <tietze.heiko@googlemail.com>
> Cc: "design@global.libreoffice.org" <design@global.libreoffice.org>
> Betreff: Re: Aw: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: Re: Re: Re: LibreColor-HLC palette
>
> Hi Christoph,
>
>       Thanks for reaching out here =) no-one is questioning the very
> significant advantages of your work, or of consistent palettes across
> platforms, indeed it all sounds like a great feature.
>
> On 12/12/16 07:31, "Christoph Schäfer" wrote:
> > 6) I'm not opposed to an extension, but I haven't created one
> > before, and I simply do not have the time to get acquainted with all
> > of the necessary details before your 5.3 release. If someone could
> > step up and create the OXT file, I'd be grateful for the assistance.
>
>       Possibly someone can help out with this; unfortunately being an
> extension will reduce the up-take to some regrettably tiny fraction of
> the user-base.
>
> > 7) If you can find a way to make the HLC colours a part of 5.3, all 
> > the better, but the colour values need to be protected against 
> > inadvertent or intentional modification in the default installation.
>
>       Of course, if you can move on the licensing: ie. giving a license that
> is compatible with our goals as a Free-Software project, then I suspect
> TDF could give you some guarentee that at least the TDF distribution of
> LibreOffice (which is some big chunk of the user-base) will not itself
> be distributing a modified palette with this name - might that work ?
>
>       Ultimately, I think the idea that someone is going to come and modify
> the palette down-stream from TDF is extremely unlikely anyway (FWIW) -
> but the principle of being able to change and improve the software, data
> etc. is an -extraordinarily- precious one to many.
>
>       So - in many ways I think we're splitting hairs here; there is
> little-to-no risk of changing it, so the freedom we're fighting for will
> in effect never be used, but - still, I fully understand why people want
> to protect that freedom =)
>
> > freieFarbe e.V. wants LibreOffice to succeed in the creative space,
> > which also needs an office suite. We even promoted it successfully in
> > Switzerland as the better alternative to MS Office. So please let us
> > find a way to make LibreOffice the office tool of choice for
> > publishing workflows.
>
>       Thanks for supporting LibreOffice ! =)
>
>       All the best,
>
>               Michael.


Hi Michael,


Thanks for your reply and your kind words.


Just to make it clear what a big opportunity this is for LibreOffice: Peter Jäger (another member 
of freieFarbe) and I have published an article and a video on LibreOffice for the leading (in terms 
of quality) German-language magazine on publishing, the Swiss "Publisher" here: 
https://publisher.ch/fachzeitschrift_detail.php?t=Office-Grafiken+aufpoliert&read_article=9591. 
Peter also created a video, which you can access from the link. 

During the conference "swiss publishing days" on November in Bern I expanded the article in a 
45-minute presentation, which included the colour palette, and there were lots of "ahs ond "ohs" in 
the audience, because most of them were accustomed to the limitations of MS Office with respect to 
graphics. Now they *do* know that they don't have to keep a VM with Windows and Visio on their 
Macs, because LibreOffice can convert Visio files into something they can actually use in 
Illustrator or InDesign. I've already had some feedback from users who told me they either 
cancelled their Office365 subscription or installed LibreOffice alongside MS Office to use it as a 
file converter while they are trying to become familiar with it.


Regarding the licence, I think we can easily come to an agreement, since fF is not married to the 
current version: If TDF can guarantee that there are some safeguards in place to protect the 
integrity of the original SOC file in LibreOffice versions distributed by TDF, you can use the 
palette under the MPL 2.0, which seems to be the current LO licence. If necessary, we can also do 
this on paper with signatures from one German non-profit to another ;)


I still support Tor Lillqvist's idea to hard-wire the colour palette into LibreOffice, as long as 
there is an option to create a local copy that can be edited (and of course distributed). A 
reasonable safeguard against overly eager "creative" types with access to the source code who may 
want to make this palette more "sexy" by adding brighter colours that can't be printed might be a 
remark in the source code, e.g.: "Please do not change any of the colour values or colour names in 
this palette. They exist for a good reason and have an equivalent in a physical colour reference 
which is based on an open standard (CIE). If you need more vibrant colours, please create a new 
palette." That would be sufficient.

If you have any better ideas, please let me know.


Best,
Christoph

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