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Hi all,

I had a conversation with Christoph Schaefer about the palette thing in the last days. He is not 
happy with what happened and in particular how the communication was going. I'm translating his 
last email excluding the exaggerated parts just for information and not to start a lengthy 
discussion. While in my opinion we improved the color palette handling, the discussion was indeed 
not really welcoming. That's my responsibility as the initial discussion could have been done out 
of the bug tracker, for instance. But after all I believe that transparency is paramount for open 
source. Nevertheless we all should remind to find positive wording when talking to contributors.

Christoph: "If I get you right it's now up to me to create the extension. But that makes it 
necessary to become familiar with it, especially since palette handling was changed for 5.3. I have 
no time currently because new Scribus releases are planned. Furthermore I have two book projects on 
my hands. I canceled a publication in the Swiss 'Publisher' regarding the exemplary handling of 
color palettes in LibreOffice compared to MS Office since you scrapped it all. Waiting now for the 
5.3 release...
The Free Color e.V aimed to give LibreOffice a treat as the HLC palette fits perfectly into the 
cross media workflow, which is a perfect argument pro LibO. Even when it's the goal of fC to 
unleash color from proprietary restrictions.
Tor Lillqvist's approach was pragmatic and makes sense from my POV. I would have never expected 
that it results in such a laborious and time-consuming procedure."

And in a follow-up email:

"I still believe that LibO is the best office suite, especially for the publishing.
What bothers me, as a pragmatist, are the formalism and harping on about principles, also from the 
usability experts."

Guess his point is clear now.


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Aw: Re:  Re: Re: LibreColor-HLC palette
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 09:16:56 +0100
From: "Christoph Schäfer" <>
To: Heiko Tietze <>

Mit der Extension sollte jetzt aber alles deinen Wünschen entsprechen. Oder?

Wenn ich Dich richtig verstanden habe, soll ich die Extension selbst produzieren. Dazu muß ich mich 
erst einarbeiten, zumal Du ja mitgeteilt hast, daß sich in 5.3 die Behandlung von Paletten 
grundlegend geändert hat. Ich habe aber momentan keine Zeit dafür, denn Scribus 1.4.7 und 1.5.3 
stehen vor der Veröffentlichung. Darüber hinaus habe ich noch zwei Buchprojekte am Hals, von denen 
eines noch vor Weihnachten fertig werden muß. Einen Artikel im Schweizer "Publisher" zum 
vorbildlichen Umgang von LibreOffice mit Farbpaletten im Vergleich zu MS Office habe ich absagen 
müssen, weil Ihr anscheinend alles über Bord geworfen habt. Ich warte also bis zur Veröffentlichung 
von 5.3 ab, wie das aussieht...

Der Verein freieFarbe e.V. war eigentlich der Absicht, dem LibreOffice-Projekt etwas Gutes tun 
wollen, weil es sich mit der HLC-Palette im Gegensatz zu MS Office perfekt in einen 
Cross-Media-Workflow einpassen läßt, was eigentlich eines der besten Werbeargumente for LO ist. 
Auch ist es ein Ziel des Vereins, Farbe von ihren proprietären Fesseln zu befreien.


Tor Lillqvists Ansatz war pragmatisch und aus meiner Sicht sinnvoll, und ich hätte nicht gedacht, 
daß aus unserem Angebot eine derart umständliche und (für mich) zeitaufwendige Prozedur werden 

Schönen Sonntag

Ich glaube LibreOffice ist das beste Office-Paket, gerade auch fürs Publishing.
Was mich als Pragmatiker jedoch stört, sind Formalismus und Prinzipenreiterei, auch von seiten der 

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