Re: [libreoffice-design] Sidebar Survey

Hi Pedro,

On 02/25/2016 04:34 PM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> Anyway, I would just like to make a proposal for changing one aspect of the
> behaviour of the Sidebar and toolbar. Right now on LO 5.1 when a certain
> object like charts or pictures or symbols is selected there is a
> duplication of formatting options that appear on the Sidebar and also on
> the toolbars.

There isnt a duplication if you choose not to use the sidebar or not use 
the properties tab of the sidebar. Many users choose not to use the 
sidebar or are at a screen resolution that doesnt make sense to use it 
(e.g. 1024x768). For users who prefer/want to use the sidebar, we should 
make it easy for them to switch to a sidebar mode (tdf#92220).

> IMO, when selecting an object the formatting properties for that object
> should appear only in the Sidebar (as is the case even in Microsoft Office
> 2013 where they have a sidebar of sorts).

MSO keeps the basic formatting properties in the ribbon and the advanced 
stuff would open in a dialog and recently a few of those dialogs have 
been replaced with a left side panel. (e.g. select a shape and you are 
given the Drawing Tools Format ribbon tab and users can open a Format 
Shape side panel to modify all the shape's properties more easily)

>   And not have the same commands showing up also in the toolbar cluttering
> it (also the Sidebar invariably shows more commands than the toolbar and
> allows for easier understanding of what each command is since they usually
> also include text and category names.

Unfortunately the sidebar isnt complete enough to get rid of all the 
toolbars. e.g. table toolbar, outline toolbar, drawing object properties 
toolbar, ...

> Also, just as in Impress the text formating toolbar disappeared since most
> of its functions are present in the Sidebar I would propose to remove the
> text Formatting toolbar in Writer and Calc to have coherence between the
> three main modules of LO and because those functions are duplicated in the
> Sidebar and toolbar.

With Impress, it has always had a side panel that was open and when the 
new sidebar was integrated in 4.2, it made the case for the hiding of 
the contextual formatting toolbars by default a good choice, especially 
when users want to see more of their slide. Writer and Calc arent in the 
same boat, but Draw was so it was changed to a sidebar mode by default.

Yousuf

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