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I think it is good to have alternative interactions definitely. But those
interactions should add something diferent. For example, I can do some
quick configurations through sidebar/toolbar but through menus I can
achieve more fine tuning.

I think that even if there are alternative interactions each of those
interactions should open by the comand of the user. When selecting a
chart/image/symbol that all the alternative interactions of the toolbar,
sidebar and menus popped open at the same time. Right now that is what's
happening with the toolbar and sidebar.

So the question I would ask would be more the following:

"When selecting an object (like a chart, text box or shape) do you want to
have its formatting controls at either toolbar or sidebar?"
( ) Toolbar
( ) Sidebar

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Heiko Tietze <>

On Donnerstag, 25. Februar 2016 12:34:35 CET Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
Is the survey already running or will it still be launched?
Nope, still time to add ideas.

Anyway, I would just like to make a proposal for changing one aspect of
behaviour of the Sidebar and toolbar. Right now on LO 5.1 when a certain
object like charts or pictures or symbols is selected there is a
duplication of formatting options that appear on the Sidebar and also on
the toolbars.
IMO, when selecting an object the formatting properties for that object
should appear only in the Sidebar (as is the case even in Microsoft
2013 where they have a sidebar of sorts).

 And not have the same commands showing up also in the toolbar cluttering
it (also the Sidebar invariably shows more commands than the toolbar and
allows for easier understanding of what each command is since they
also include text and category names.

Also, just as in Impress the text formating toolbar disappeared since
of its functions are present in the Sidebar I would propose to remove the
text Formatting toolbar in Writer and Calc to have coherence between the
three main modules of LO and because those functions are duplicated in
Sidebar and toolbar.
You can either add those ideas to the survey. Or we ask another question

"Do you want to have controls at only one position. either toolbar or
( ) No, I want to have the freedom to use both
( ) Yes, please clean up the interface

However, I think this would violate usability. Redundancy in terms of
alternative interactions is good. Your argument could be that redundancy
to have the opportunity to start from main menu. context menu, toolbar or
keyboard. And toolbar vs sidebar are badly redundant since it doesn't add
alternative way to control the application.

Opinions please.

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