Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

Hi all!

Am Montag, den 27.07.2015, 15:19 +0000 schrieb Heiko Tietze:
> To start the discussion I prepared a pad with the basics (needs some
> work though) and two alternative workflows/designs with mockups.
> Please comment the hell out of these ideas (either comment via speech
> bubble icon or just add text). Perhaps it's good to have a hangout
> too...
>
> http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-PrintDialog

Thanks! I've added some remarks and commented issue #67905.

> I add Christoph as the usability expert of the previous/current
> layout. Initial question is here
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/msg07254.html

Well, to me, the described issues are based on / caused by a combination
of (statements based on PPP "printerpullpages" work - see extensive
documentation at [1]):
      * I was told (by the former developer) that OOo is unable to
        directly connect with certain printer settings (e.g. page
        format) / information (e.g. printer status). Rationale: Effort
        for handling  different platforms and individual printer
        (drivers).
      * Due to LibO's complexity and complexity of printing in general
        (e.g. handling page style related page settings incl. printer
        tray VS. single separate printer setting) we run into a number
        of issues. First ideas to address these issues (e.g. inform the
        user) have been deferred/altered due to developer time
        constraints - see proposals [2] and [3].
      * Due to limited resources, the harmonization of different printer
        related features has been (guess what, sigh) deferred. For
        example:
              * "File - Printer Settings" still exists (looking and
                behaving totally different).
              * "Tools - Options... - LibreOffice - Print Options"
      * Print options (e.g. for Writer) are only partly saved in
        documents and therefore only partly restored. See the initial
        analysis at [4] (and [5]). Hasn't been addressed yet (guess
        why :-).
      * Add some bugs (e.g. on my system, specifying "A3" in the page
        style, using the printer setting "A4", finally results in
        "Letter" shown above the preview in the printer dialog)

All adds up to a messy printing experience for quite some use cases
(although I still think that PPP was a step in the right direction).

> Am 19.07.2015 23:28:56, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:
> > Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > > What's your schedule, Katarina? Do we have as much time as the prior
> > > art took?
> > Let's put it that way - the current attention of that topic could be
> > used for some quick iterative improvements. ;)

Some quick improvements will help, but I think we have to discuss how
LibO handles printing UI wise (the print dialog being only one part in
the game). I'm happy to add some proposals (after getting some sleep) -
just tell me if there is still interest.

Cheers,
Christoph

[1] Printerpullpages Overview
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Printerpullpages

[2] Idea for showing "print related issues"
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Printerpullpages/ContextualInformation 

[3] Idea for showing "page size issues"
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:2009-12-06_PrintingDialog_Idea_ShowPageSize1.png

[4] Print settings stored in files
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/3/3e/Current_PrintingOptions_SettingsInDocumentFiles.odt

[5] Dialog options / controls overview
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/e/e2/Current_Dialogs_ListOfAllPrintDialogElements.ods


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