Re: [libreoffice-design] Team organization

Hi Mirek, all,

I agree that we should have leads to give an orientation to the design team.
However I don't agree with

"As Theodor
Nelson writes (and Jan Borchardt reiterates [1]), "The integration of
software cannot be achieved by committee, where everyone has to put in
their own additions (featuritis again). It must be controlled by
dictatorial artists with full say on the final cut. " "

I have experienced some committees against "creeping featurism" when I 
suggested new features (gnu-core-utils for example).
I have no clue of what is the proportion of "committees" in open source 
software who fight strongly against featuritis but in my modest 
experience there is always someone against any new feature in any 
"committee".
Probably there is no difference on featuritis between average committee 
and average dictator.
To be honest, I'm quite bored of gratuitous attacks against democracy, 
debate, vote, etc.
If you can provide facts and data on this topic, I'll be happy to learn.


In order to be constructive and concrete, here is how I think we should 
have leads :
- leads should be elected for 6 months,
- if for some position, nobody applies, then the design team 
self-organizes (for the best and the worse as usual ;) )
- leads give an orientation to the work of the design team, organize the 
debate without censorship,
- if a particular point yields a lot of conflicting opinions, the final 
say goes to a vote after all rationnal arguments have been synthetized 
by the lead.

Please comment any of these 4 points.

Best regards,
    Laurent


On 19/06/2014 15:47, Sophie wrote:
> Hi Mirek,
> Le 19/06/2014 15:35, Mirek M. a écrit :
> > Hi Sophie,
> [...]
>
> > > Sorry to jump in with a side question about the other aspects out of the
> > > product. How can we reach your team when we need visual or design
> > > specifics for events or any action organized by the other projects. Are
> > > you too short in volunteers and we need to help you grow this part of
> > > the community or is it something you're not invested in?
> > Yes, I would say we're short on volunteers, and those volunteers tend to be
> > short on time.
> >
> > Motivation might be a factor -- I think the organizational chaos that there
> > is now can be discouraging and I'd like to try to fix that.
> Yes, that's what I understand, hence my proposal to separate the project
> in two groups.
> > > Would it be better for your team that we have two separate projects: one
> > > dedicated to the product design, the other one to the designs needed  by
> > > the community projects?
> > I'm not sure. I guess ideally leads would cater to all TDF-related projects
> > and would act as managers.
> ok, your the one who knows better here :)
> > Right now, though, I'm afraid a lot of the design work will fall on the
> > leads themselves, or just not get done.
> yes, that's what usually happen when we miss volunteers.
> > Perhaps that's not relevant, though? Should we just have leads take care of
> > all the projects and be responsible for finding the necessary volunteers?
> but the other project should support you here, it's really difficult to
> do all the work and try to find volunteers at the same time :)
> > Actually, and please don't take it as a criticism, it seems very
> > > difficult to get some designs done for events or items and I really
> > > would like to help to solve this :)
> > Yes, I know, sorry; though huge props to KJ, who tends to save the day.
> yes, thanks a lot to him and (I'm always afraid he feels exhausted by
> all our demands ;)
> > Please chime in with any organizational ideas you might have.
> I'll think about it, and will see what we can organize with the NLPs and
> the marketing project to take a special action to help you. I'll report
> back on this list.
> Thanks a lot for your feedback :)
> Cheers
> Sophie


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