Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Light Blue for Non-printing characters

Hi Stefan, all,

I expect from a vote to reach a decision that reflects our opinions not 
only yours.
When I did set the dudle the situation was :
- a minority of people expressed themselves,
- no decision was reached
Efficiency of the decision process : 0

I see logical conclusions in mathematics (I have a PhD in theoretical 
computer science and I know what is a proof and what is not).
When it comes to design I see a lot of contradicting arguments and most 
of the time you end up adding "apples" with "oranges" and so on.

You give 3 aims for Libre Office.
Clearly the following solution satisfy your 3 aims : the color adapts to 
the selection color by default but there is also an option to choose a 
default color.

First aim "looking native" : indeed adapting to the selection color is 
appropriate.

Second aim "usable to as many people as possible" : I don't see why 
having the choice between colors makes it "not usable".
It seems you didn't understand : "- if one or both is/are chosen, we 
will still need to have a carefuly chosen default option
(either some hard-coded value or the color adapting to selection color). "

Third aim "not being overly hard to configure" : it's an option, 
somebody who likes the default doesn't have to do anything.
That's not a reason to remove the possibility for others to configure LO 
as they wish.
I proposed to have both a and b because I accept that people have 
different needs than mine.

Democracy doesn't mean it is the end of reasoning and logical arguments.
As you proved, you gave your 3 aims only after I set the dudle.
There is always logical arguments to explicit but there is rarely only 
one logical conclusions.
Most of the time you end up either with no solution that satisfy all 
criteria, many solutions, or you have to compare things that cannot be 
compared.
That's why I think it's a good thing to accept that different people 
have different needs and that in the end you do things for them.

Best regards,
    Laurent


On 02/06/2014 21:32, Stefan Knorr wrote:
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> Hi Laurent, all,
>
> so, I never came back with a link to the bug (at least not on this
> list). It's this one:
>    https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79381
>
>
> On 02/06/14 20:33, Laurent Lyaudet wrote:
> > I just set a dudle for this topic. You can vote here :
> > https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/Non-printing_characters_color/
> I am really not sure what you expect from a vote on this. I personally
> believe there must be a logical conclusion for this bug, instead of it
> being a more or less democratically decided one.
>
> (LibreOffice does have the aim of looking native on the platforms it
> ships on. LibreOffice does have the aim of being usable to as many
> people as possible [glasses, etc.]. And LibreOffice should have the aim
> of not being overly hard to configure.)
>
>
> Astron.
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