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Hi Stefan, all,

I expect from a vote to reach a decision that reflects our opinions not only yours.
When I did set the dudle the situation was :
- a minority of people expressed themselves,
- no decision was reached
Efficiency of the decision process : 0

I see logical conclusions in mathematics (I have a PhD in theoretical computer science and I know what is a proof and what is not). When it comes to design I see a lot of contradicting arguments and most of the time you end up adding "apples" with "oranges" and so on.

You give 3 aims for Libre Office.
Clearly the following solution satisfy your 3 aims : the color adapts to the selection color by default but there is also an option to choose a default color.

First aim "looking native" : indeed adapting to the selection color is appropriate.

Second aim "usable to as many people as possible" : I don't see why having the choice between colors makes it "not usable". It seems you didn't understand : "- if one or both is/are chosen, we will still need to have a carefuly chosen default option
(either some hard-coded value or the color adapting to selection color). "

Third aim "not being overly hard to configure" : it's an option, somebody who likes the default doesn't have to do anything. That's not a reason to remove the possibility for others to configure LO as they wish. I proposed to have both a and b because I accept that people have different needs than mine.

Democracy doesn't mean it is the end of reasoning and logical arguments.
As you proved, you gave your 3 aims only after I set the dudle.
There is always logical arguments to explicit but there is rarely only one logical conclusions. Most of the time you end up either with no solution that satisfy all criteria, many solutions, or you have to compare things that cannot be compared. That's why I think it's a good thing to accept that different people have different needs and that in the end you do things for them.

Best regards,

On 02/06/2014 21:32, Stefan Knorr wrote:
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Hi Laurent, all,

so, I never came back with a link to the bug (at least not on this
list). It's this one:

On 02/06/14 20:33, Laurent Lyaudet wrote:
I just set a dudle for this topic. You can vote here :
I am really not sure what you expect from a vote on this. I personally
believe there must be a logical conclusion for this bug, instead of it
being a more or less democratically decided one.

(LibreOffice does have the aim of looking native on the platforms it
ships on. LibreOffice does have the aim of being usable to as many
people as possible [glasses, etc.]. And LibreOffice should have the aim
of not being overly hard to configure.)

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