Re: [libreoffice-design] Welcome graphics for the Startcenter in 4.2

Hi,

Le 06/12/2013 19:39, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit :
> Hello Michel,
>
> [...]
>
> Indeed. I find you quite shy in fact, and I'm serious. To me it does
> not look like you were ignored, rather that no one knows about it.
> Which is a problem since the start.


I wouldn't say I'm shy, I'm just polite and I don't want to waste time 
and energy in endless discussion (mail or chat). And I understood that 
in this mailing list, you have to insist or even be aggressive to 
explain/force your UX ideas while I expected professional skills and 
democracy, at least meritocracy (I really miss Christoph Noack).



> > [...]
>
> What would be better is that if your proposals were communicated. I've
> never seen your name, never read any of your mails (except this thread)
> before.

False !
I wrote articles in my blog about LibreOffice design process in 
march/april 2013 and on 11/04/2013 sent an email :
To: design@global.libreoffice.org, 
libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org, italo.vignoli@gmail.com

So, you had at least one (important !) email from me.

And I had only 2 answers :
- one from Emir Yâsin SARI
- the other from Michael Meeks :
    (short version with my words)
    - "we don't want to take care of your advises"
    - "TDF is very happy with the current design team"

and also few comments directly in the blog, but nobody from the TDF.
So, when someone as Michael Meeks closes the door to my suggestions, 
what can I expect ? I would be foolish to insist.


So I can return your argument :
why only 2 person wrote answers to my articles in this ml ?
why didn't you realized at that time that I have some expertise in UX 
design ?
why nothing has changed in the design team workflow ? and in the way 
devs and designers work together ?


Ans same question for my suggestion to postpone the startcenter : you 
ask my reasons to do so, but I explained it in my mail, just read it !


> I don't read everything on the design list, but  I believe that
> if you have not engaged with the design team first, nothing will happen.


Just FYI, I started with project OOo Renaissance ! (May 2009)
(https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80%9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D)
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Michel_Renon

My complete proposal as a pdf file (37 pages, 630 Ko)
https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/2/26/Proposal_impress_ui_renon3.pdf
(it was far from being perfect because I created it in few nights, while 
working for a diploma ; but still interesting ideas)

BTW, you can see that there was already the "dribbblization" problem : 
only proposals made with screenshots had strong reviews.


and I'm listed in the initial members of LO design team (but this page 
has been archived) :
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team

BTW, Mirek, there is no information about you.
What is your *real* experience in software design ?
Have you ever produced a professional software ?

For my emails, just look at archive of mailing list and chat logs : I 
worked for color picker, template manager.
From my email client stats, I wrote 77 mails in design list and 52 in 
ux-advise.
I agree, I didn't communicated on a regular basis : I'm just a volunteer 
and also have a daily job. But when I realized that current design team 
lacks basic UX skills (while working on color picker), I lost most of my 
motivation and felt it was useless to make proposals.



And the last emails in this mailing list really broke the last bits of 
motivation :
- saying officially that design is and will ever be a second class citizen
- saying officially that TDF will never listen to users
- saying officially that nothing will change (no roadmap, no mid/long 
term vision, only "bazaar" short term changes) beacuse LO is, as Charles 
said, a libertarian project
- design team has no plans to enhance the design process

So I have nothing more to do for LibreOffice.
So this is my last message before unsubscribe.

Michel

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