Date: prev next · Thread: first prev next last
2012 Archives by date, by thread · List index

Hi and thanks for your answer, I will comment a lot ;)

Am 03.07.2012 17:56, schrieb Mirek M.:
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Mirek M. <> wrote:

Hi Florian,

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:45 PM, Florian Reisinger <>wrote:


I really don't know whether there had been any discussion in the past,
but I want to share 2 blogpost of mine to you. I really hope you like that
ideas ;)


It's funny -- a couple of years ago, I was thinking the exact same thing:
make a very flexible UI so anyone may customize the suite to their
liking. Over time, though, my ideas have evolved. I realized that simply
giving all the options does not make a good UI -- on the contrary, it makes
the UI hard to maintain and opens up a door to various usability bugs that
can arise from deep customization.
You are, of course, right but my thoughts (at least to me) are not a " giving everyone a bunch of options". In fact the "Ribbon UI" can be created easily, because there are only 2 things missing:
a) larger icons [Which should not be a blocker]
b) The icons are ought to be arranged in a specivic area freely --> Maximum on personalization; minimum afford ;)

The major change is, that the toolbars on the top are not displayed anymore, which means that there should be no toolbar anymore [if someone is just writing.] Most of the time a specific set of function are needed. So we have two approaches:

a) Try to get the user to create a toolbar (toolbars) with the menus he/she needs b) Do a "start" toolbar, which is in fact that what we currently have ;) , expect the opportunity to hide that ( The hide affects all toolbars on the top...)

So now you might be asking: What does he want to do with all the other toolbars??

The answer is simple: Nothing - currently.
If someone has the time to add a context sensitive toolbar to the Ribbon menu it would be nice, of course, but not a must...

Hm, IMHO: If you are changing something it won't be perfect from the very beginning....

Generally, giving lots of options tends
to result in many sub-par UI options instead of one excellent, polished
option. We don't want the user to have to waste time making the UI work
well for him. We want the UI to work well for him from the get-go.

So, if you really want to help us improve the UI, a good start would be
analyzing the weaknesses of the current UI and possible ways to improve
them. We don't really have developers who would be willing to use their
time for UI improvements yet,
Because we didn't have a fantasic idea yet ( Okay, at least I missed the idea...)

Sorry, I accidentally hit send prematurely.
Never mind ;)

As I was saying, developers aren't very much interested in UI work right
now, so a grand restructuring of the whole UI is out of the question. UI
changes need to be incremental and well thought-out.
Okay, I don't know weather my idea is well thought-out now ( Sometimes it will be our idea, but see it as a start ;)), but IMHO the changes can be incremental ;)

  Given that LibreOffice
is cross-platform, it's preferable to stick to each platform's default
theme as closely as possible (with the exception of Windows, on which MS
itself tends to not follow the default theme)
LOL, didn't know that's true
and we need to maintain a
menu bar at least for Ubuntu and Mac OS X.
In my idea we still have that ( Ribbon is a option, but IMHO the UI should get some favourites, quick ;))

  It's also probably best to stick
with toolbars, given that they're basically universal across platforms
(unlike ribbons or sidebars) and tend to be the only "action containers" on
modern mobile platforms.

To be honest: The UI for a mobile platform and the one for desktop users should be poles apart from each other... I can't see the point of Win8 [havn't tried yet] it simply is (sorry for the sharp word) stupid to want someone to use something with a mouse or a fingere at the same time...

That said, there are a lot of things we could do better.
+1 totally agree
The current
menu/toolbar/dialog system is a maze and makes it very tiring to accomplish
certain tasks. The current organization is messy, illogical, and
unnecessarily complex. I'll be starting an effort to rework the Options
dialog -- perhaps that's something you might want to help with.

Of course, but only with rough drawing with sharp ideas behind ;)
To be honest: I can't draw at all ;)
BTW: Link please

Be sure to check out our wiki (
for ways you can help out. You can talk to us this Saturday on our IRC

Looking forward for your comments

Florian Reisinger

Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Posting guidelines + more:
List archive:
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted


Privacy Policy | Impressum (Legal Info) | Copyright information: Unless otherwise specified, all text and images on this website are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License. This does not include the source code of LibreOffice, which is licensed under the Mozilla Public License (MPLv2). "LibreOffice" and "The Document Foundation" are registered trademarks of their corresponding registered owners or are in actual use as trademarks in one or more countries. Their respective logos and icons are also subject to international copyright laws. Use thereof is explained in our trademark policy.