Re: [libreoffice-design] Icons: Testing the Design Process

Hi Kévin, Adolfo, everyone,

2012/2/26 Kévin PEIGNOT <peignot.kevin@kpeignot.fr>

> Hi Mirek, Adolfo ...
>
> First, on the design process, it looks me great, except 1 week seems me too
> short (sometimes people can't come one the mailing list). SO maybe two
> weeks would be better

It would only be one week if nobody answers the initial e-mail. This is
just a way to get people to answer these e-mails in due time and prevent a
rough draft being stuck in limbo.

Once an issue is raised, the time limit is dissolved.

> Then, even if I think your icons are a good idea, and more logical than
> usual ones, we should keep usual symbols to avoid confusion for people and
> beginners. I can't find free desktop recommendations for this, maybe
> someone know if they just exist ?

I remember in my days as a computer noob, I had no idea about what the
"scissors" icon did. Its name "Cut" didn't give me any clues about its
functionality. Once I thought it was the "Crop" icon and was surprised when
clicking the icon took the whole image away. I then assumed it was the same
as "Delete".

I understand that the same symbolism should be kept across all applications
-- I'm all for that. But I think that, just like the floppy disk save icon,
this is a historical remnant that should evolve. If we agree that the new
symbolism is clearer and more usable than the old one, we should push for
applications to adopt it. (The same is happening with the save icon
nowadays.)

The new symbolism shouldn't be that foreign to users, though. The clipboard
symbol connects the three clipboard icons. Then there are those familiar
"move" and "copy" symbols that users know from file management. And a user
familiar with the old "cut" and "copy" icons, but unfamiliar with the
"Ctrl+X" and "Ctrl+C" shortcuts, can familiarize himself with the new
icons, as they appear in the Edit menu and the right-click menu with
labels, as they appear in the same place on the toolbar as the old icons,
and as tooltips appear over the toolbar icons on hover.

> Kévin
>
> 2012/2/26 Adolfo Jayme Barrientos <fitoschido@gmail.com>
>
> > Why abandon the classic symbol paradigm? I don’t think that the
> > proposed symbols are recognizable in a glance anymore.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Mirek M. <mazelm@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I've put up a design process on the wiki page (@
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set).
> > > Please go take a look at it.
> > >
> > > I also submitted rough drafts for three icons: Paste, Cut, and Copy.
> > > They're unlike all Cut and Copy icons I've seen so far -- instead of
> > > showing scissors and stacks of papers, they use the same symbols as
> > moving
> > > an copying with files (an arrow and a plus icon).
> > >
> > > According to the drafted design process, the icons will be marked
> > > "approved" if nobody answers to this e-mail within a week, so please
> > > respond, comment, critique, iterate, so that we can begin to do this.
> > >
> > > Thanks. :)
> > >
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