Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] Some Feedback on Citrus.

Hi all,

we can make any survey and I am more than willing to help (Yes, I am even a 
psychologist ;) )

BUT:
Just as at least Greg and Christoph said, we will not get anywhere concerning 
the issue of this thread by conducting a survey. Normal users will not 
understand what we want from them. They cannot experience the UI. So they have 
to imagine what this UI would mean to them - and this will lead to a major 
variance in data - and the results will be worthless (not even mentioning the 
amount of reading that would be needed by the users, to at least be able to 
imagine the personal impact).

SO:
Surveys yes, but we have to do them more intelligently, to get the answers we 
need to know. And this will never be only one survey nor will it be only 
surveys. Surveys are only one piece of the puzzle.

As a personal remark to this thread: 
A complete redesign of the interface is not on the agendy of any LO-developer 
(as far as I know). So, please do not waste your or anybody elses time with 
creating big pictures. We will get to the point where this is constructive - 
but at the moment it is just the opposite of it. If anyone wants to do 
something really helpfull: try to find and document the small improvements 
that are possible to make LO rock even more.

I truely believe in the power of evolution in the development of LO. Any 
attempt of a revolution will need to back-uped by much more than a thread in 
this list or even a survey resulting in a positiv feedback to any solution.

Saying all of this: If you still want to go for a survey, I am more than 
willing to help, to get the best out of it :)

Cheers,
Björn

P.S. I do love the idea of a pop-up in LO to motivate users to participate, 
but this actually needs to be done intelligently. I will post my thoughts 
about this some time. If anybody actually wants to start working on this, 
please ping me!



Am Samstag, 26. November 2011, 15:32:13 schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> Hello Alexander,
>
> Björn Balazs (in cc) has the experience on surveys and psychology.
>
> As for including a survey pop up window in 3.5... In theory it's feasible
> but perhaps there are other -easier-ways? A blog or tweets by the Design
> team and /or TDF might be enough to attract enough testers.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Charles.
>
> 2011/11/26 alexander.wilms <alexander.wilms@zoho.com>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Kévin, having this in 3.5 would be very helpful, but it shouldn't be too
> > obstrusive. Maybe a simple link in the start center, saying "We plan the
> > redesign LibreOffice. Please help us in the decision process".
> >
> > does anyone here have experience with psychology regarding such surveys?
> >
> > i guess the results depend on how we ask, e.g. whether a person likes
> > certain features or not, or rather rates the on a scale; Should they
> > also
> > rate the overall concept and maybe be able to choose alternatives from
> > Paulos proposal?
> >
> >
> > Who set up the last survey? He/She/they should be able to give us some
> > advice.
> >
> > Additionally we could narrow down the questions which would be
> > neccessary
> > by using of insights from the summary of that survey.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > ---- On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:40:30 +0100 Kévin PEIGNOT &
> > lt;peignot.kevin@kpeignot.fr&gt; wrote ----
> >
> >
> > If this solution is chosen, we could ask for implementation of this
> > function in LibO 3.5 what do you think ? It should not be very difficult
> > to do I think. Then, obviously the survey would be online (Usability
> > method maybe ? It worked great last time). When we know what people can
> > like, we then could start brainstroming each part one by one, thinking
> > about ergonomy.
> >
> > Obviously, the survey could include the differents parts of Citrus UI as
> > others mock-up. I think the more diversity we ask, the better we can see
> > what people like.
> >
> > Kévin
> >
> > 2011/11/26 Swapnil Bhartiya &lt;swapnil.bhartiya@gmail.com&gt;
> >
> > &gt;
> > &gt; here is a proposal. I hate it I don't have any better idea : a
> > popup
> > on
> > &gt;&gt; libreoffice asking to feel the survey.
> > &gt;&gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; I think, this is the BEST approach. This way instead of relying on
> > a
> > few
> > &gt; sites who may have biased readers we will be able to get inputs
> > from
> > real
> > &gt; users. If the pop-up is convincing enough we can get great
> > feed-back. Just
> > &gt; the way users were sending feedbacks for G+.
> > &gt;
> > &gt;
> > &gt; Swapnil
> > &gt;
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