Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 06:02, Bernhard Dippold
<bernhard@familie-dippold.at> wrote:
> Hi Jean, all,
>
> sorry, Sigrid, you seem right: There is no chance to get a common agreement
> on how screenshots should look like in a reasonable time...
>
> Jean Weber schrieb:
> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 13:50, Marc Paré<marc@marcpare.com>  wrote:
> > > Not sure if you read this but maybe you should take some time. Bernhard
> > > has
> > > summed up all of the reasons that were proposed on uniformization on this
> > > discussion thread in a recent post. Just in case you missed it, you may
> > > find
> > > it here:
> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@global.libreoffice.org/msg02537.html
> > >  I
> > > think he has put it all very eloquently and as plain as possible. I think
> > > the reasons for writing up protocols are overwhelming.
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with Bernhard that there needs to be the
> > uniformity between marketing screenshots and documentation
> > screenshots.
>
> In my eyes it is no need, it just have some advantages.
>
> But if consistency in general is understood as uniformity or uniformization
> and standardization LibreOffice should avoid, I can't follow this approach.
>
> I already stated that there might be reasons to have two different
> specifications for documentation an marketing screenshots, if there would be
> a need for two different themes.

OK. I may have got mixed up about who said what. I now think we do not
have any disagreement about that.

> > And while it may be desirable to have uniformity among
> > the documentation screenshots, I don't think it's a big deal that they
> > are not uniform. We can develop the uniformity as we update the docs
> > for other reasons.
>
> So you want to tell people to create the first set of screenshots with
> different themes and work on them in a second step again?

I am talking about the screenshots that are already there. Replacing
them will be a lot of work and not IMO a high priority. When they need
to be replaced for other reasons, then the screenshots should be done
in the recommended theme if possible.

> > That said, I completely agree that having guidelines for documentation
> > screenshots is a good thing. Note: guidelines, not rules. Marketing is
> > a different matter: much more important there.
>
> We never discussed rules - even the branding guidelines are no rules (but
> they are highly recommended to use).

I know. I just want to make sure everyone in this discussion understands that.

> Every contributor can include the screenshots (s)he wants in any specific
> contribution. But if there is a help available to produce consistent
> screenshots, I'd like to be led to this help when I start to create
> screenshots.

Agreed. I want this too.

> If you and the rest of the documentation team are as opposed to a consistent
> look-and-feel in the LibreOffice documentation as David Nelson, we don't
> need to discuss this topic any more or vote on it at all.

I'm not opposed. IMO it's a good and desirable goal. Just as long as
everyone understands it's not a top priority, worth holding up
production to achieve. From latest discussions I now think that it is
clear that everyone understands that.

> But if you think, a guideline ("we recommend ...") leading to similar
> screenshots in our docs would be a good thing, please let's define the
> theme, so it can be used on our wiki and we can end this discussion.

Yes, guidelines are good. I am all for guidelines. I have given my
opinion on the desirable look of a theme for documentation, and I'll
be away for 2.5 weeks so I won't be able to create any more noise on
this subject. I hope it's decided by the time I get back. :-)

--Jean

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