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While the sidebar is definitely a better use of screen space for
writer, it would be interesting to see how it plays with Calc where
horizontal screen real estate is arguably more valuable than vertical
(or at least as valuable). Microsoft actually considered putting the
ribbon on the sidebar but decided against citing column space in excel
as one of the reasons. I picked up a link to this video from an
earlier email and all parts of it are a really good insight into their
design process and should be part of the mandatory viewing list for
us! :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4

On 10 June 2011 17:35, Cyril Arnaud <cyril.arnaud@gmail.com> wrote:
I personnaly am using a lit my 10" on my netbook. Even with that a side
toolbar is far better

-- Cyril Arnaud
On Jun 9, 2011 10:03 PM, "planas" <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 01:28 +0100, Patrick Scott wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback! Yes, I'd imagine the correct drawers would
animate
and pop open if you suddenly moved the cursor from say normal text to a
list
or table for example. Also, it's a good point that many users may still
be
on 4:3 monitors. In anyone's opinion, would a sidebar such as the one in
this mockup be too large for those using a 4:3 monitor? It could be cut
back
as a compromise..

Mockup Link (again, this is just a layout concept, it still needs
polishing): http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:<
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png>
LibreOfficeMockup.png<
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png>

Thanks again,
Patrick

On 9 June 2011 07:59, Christopher Stark <christopherstark@gmx.de> wrote:

Hi,

it looks quite nice.

Am 08.06.2011 18:22, schrieb Patrick Scott:
Hi all,

Today I put together a mockup for a possible Layout I think
LibreOffice
could use. Since it's just a layout, it's quite rough, lacks polish
and
is
very simple [it's also my first ever mockup]. The design is inspired
by
the
concepts behind Ubuntu's unity. It's all about maximising vertical
screen
space while using a sidebar to take advantage of the abundance of
horizontal
screen space we have on the standard widescreen resolutions of today.

Here is a summary of the proposed changes:

-Unlike the MS Ribbon, the context menu has been left as is but
should be
hidden as default on Windows and some Linux distros (should be
recallable
using Alt key, through preferences, or right-click of toolbar)

Good thing that it's hidden by default.
I would suggest that the right functions appear automatically when the
user clicks on a graphic, into a Table etc.
If the right tools don't appear automatically, this drawers-toolbar
would be a disadvantage in comparison the the solution which exists now
in LO because one has to click on the right drawers in the left column
all the time.

- On Operating Systems where the context menu is integrated into the
top
panel (Mac OS and Ubuntu), the menu should remain present as is since
there
is no additional screen real estate to be gained from hiding it

-The bottom panel has also been removed but its vital components now
exist
in the lower part of the new sidebar (I call it the info panel! Bare
in
mind
that it's just a concept so it looks pretty rough and needs cleaning
up)

-The remaining top panel should be reserved for vital 'File'
operations
and
other application level options such as access to help and a 'Tools'
dropdown (similar to the 'Wrench' icon in Google's Chromium/Chrome
browser).

-The Drawers in the sidebar 'Toolbox' [which I borrowed from a
screenshot
of
LO Impress] should act as an alternative to Microsoft's ribbon.
Features
from the context menu should be graphically represented here and
categorized
along with the usual text editing/spreadsheet/presentation features
found
in
the original toolbars
Here is a link to the mockup:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png

<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeMockup.png>I
think
that
with some polish and styling there would be quite a few benefits to
this
approach.

- It would modernise the overall look of libreoffice, differentiating
us
from the dated OO and MS Office 1997 - 2003 look and feel.
- The 'drawers' are not a clone of the MS Ribbon but it is consistent
with
it, leaving MS converts with an easier job adopting to LO (rather
than
sending them back in time to the toolbar interface)
- Users will be able to see more of their documents. At 1440 x 900,
the
sidebar takes up 240 px of abundant horizontal space while freeing up
over
100 px of precious vertical space. This is particularly beneficial in
Writer
where documents can easily scroll more than 2 metres.

Don't forget, that many - especially more professional - users still
have 4:3 monitors and will keep this up in the future (I never
understood this stupid wide screen hype)

- As you can see from the mockup, there is buckets of space left over
in
the
sidebar drawers which can be filled with anything that takes our
imagine
such as extra large widgets, style shortcuts similar to MS Office etc
(I
simply dumped the text formatting icons in here, since this is just a
layout)...

Please everyone, let me know what your thoughts are! I know people
have
been
discussing docks and docklet's etc and I'm not disregarding those
suggestions. I'm simply proposing a layout to which features like
those
as
well as others like tabbed documents could be added.

Thanks,
Patrick

On 8 June 2011 13:05, Phil Howard <imagin8or@gmail.com> wrote:


Regards
Christopher


I can imagine a kind of mixture of toolbars/docks/ribbons now. A
toolbar that is resized larger becomes a ribbon, which can be
dragged
over to a side to become a dock. One dock (the top one?) fills with
frequently used icons, and the user can drag things onto that.

I like Christian's idea of being able to open a drawer further for
the
complete set of actions - since these are the rarely used items,
they
need to be in consistent positions. That way the 'ajar' (shallow
open)
view can change and show frequently used items, but the fully open
drawer is always consistent.

I do think that a large part of improving UIs is getting rid of
irrelevant things. If nothing is selected, you need to be able to
switch input modes (bold/italics or draw line/shape) or views, or to
insert new objects, but not to edit object properties (delete
column).
The converse is true if you have selected something. I think MS were
driving at that with the Ribbon - apart from a different view of the
menus, the Ribbon's difference from the past is showing
context-dependent menus when objects are selected.

One concept I'm very keen on which helps reduce UI glut is
localising
controls. Office 2007 introduced local context edit panels - if you
right click on some text, as well as the context menu, a panel
appears
with B, U, I etc. Another instance of local controls is 37signals'
tools where hovering over a list item reveals handles to
drag-reorder,
delete etc, which disappear when you mouseout. The GIMP and old Unix
window managers had everything (inc File, Edit etc) on a right-click
menu, even when the actions were not context-dependent, which was
confusing.

I guess I'm saying less is better. So limit what's visible to what's
useable, and localise controls to the object. That leaves just
context-independent tools and mode switches in a dock.

I tried to mock up a toolbar/ribbon/menu but it turned into a bit of
a
nesting blob that wouldn't work on small screens. I might try again
with less stuff...

Phil H

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Phil Jackson <sapient@clear.net.nz>
wrote:
Hi Sonic

That's fine! - so long as it is easy enough to view. Just let us
know
when
it is ready.

cheers

Phil Jackson

On 6/8/2011 11:26 AM, Sonic Spuds wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Phil Jackson<sapient@clear.net.nz>
wrote:
Hi Christian

Can you do a mock-up of this and give us a link to see what this
might
look
like?

I use something as simple as Paint and then use cut and paste to
move
blocks around to get a final design. Quick and easy.

Cheers

Phil Jackson




On 6/7/2011 10:07 AM, Christian Vielma wrote:

Hi everyone.

My name is Christian Vielma, i'm a Computer Engineer from
Venezuela
and
i'm
interested in improving LibreOffice.

I think Fernando's idea could be great, but i would like to see
images
of
how could it be in order to understand better.

I had an idea of using things like "drawers". Those are similar
to
tabs
of
MS Office, but you could "open" as many drawers as you want and
have
all
the
options in the windows or maintain opened only the drawers that
you
use
the
most.

That could be a good mix with the dock that Fernando commented,
because
you
could have a dock with the options you use most and "open
drawers"
to
look
for functions that you would like to drag to the dock.

LibreOffice already use things like my idea of drawers, for
example
in
Impress when you have a side with the presentation design. But i
would
like
to extend it to be drawers instead of menues.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Scott Pledger<
scottpledger2005@gmail.com
wrote:
Hey Fernando,
Just so you know, the listserv removes images and attachments
automatically
so you'll have to include a link to the photo. From what I'm
reading/imagining, I think this might be a good idea, so let's
not
forget
about it as we continue forward!

-Scott

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 20:13, Fernando Andrade
<fernandofreamunde@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi,
my name is Fernando Andrade, and i have an idea for the
graphical

interface

of Libre Office.
It is a little bit based on Mac OS X and Ubuntu, minimalistic
and functional but a lot different of the actual LO interface.
Microsoft
made a step in the right direction in 2007 when they
introduced in
the
market the new interface, although many people didn't like it
nowadays
people cant use other interface, because the MS Office
interface
have eye-candy and is useful and productive.

Now it is time to LO do the changes that will make the
difference,
i

picked

the concept of a Dock, introduced by Steve Jobs on NextStep,
and
aplied

it

to the toolbars. Instead of ugly toolbars or the tabs thing of
MS
Office,

a

dock would work nice. But how do i apply a fancy dock like
docky
on
the
toolbars, it just don't make sense. Well its just the dock
concept,
the
thing i call docklet.

It works like a dock in the way that we can drag and drop
icons to
add functionalities that we need, or drag and drop to remove
the
ones
we
don't need. when clicked a drop down menu appears with the
info
and
the
options that we have.

As an example the character related info(Bolted, Italic,
Underlined,

font,

size, color, highlight, etc..) in only a small and beutiful
menu,
with
a beautiful icon.


[image: rffff.bmp]

In the picture you can see what i mean, its just the concept
of
some

thing

new.
the menu can be on a global menu like he ones on MacOS or
Ubuntu,
on
windows
it could show on top of the docklet. If you like this concept
please
replay
to me, i have more idieas and you would need the full concept,
this
is
just

a raw draw made directly from my brain to the file via ms
paint...

Thank you for your time;
Open regards;
Fernando Andrade

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Phil,
The best way to handel a UI mockup is to work in Inkscape or
another
fully
compliant SVG editor. This allows you or others to make quick
tweaks
or
fixes to the design, and has the benefit of being basically the
same
way
the
the final UI will be built.

-Sonic


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I have a large 4x3 monitor and would prefer a side menu personally. The
real question is how many still use smallish monitors about 12"/355mm
versus a 17"/480mm or larger monitor.


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