Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Funding Wishlist

Hi :)  

+1
Accessibility is important.  Unfortunately in LO it seems to heavily and thoroughly depend on Java 
which the entire rest of the project is trying to break free from.  


Apparently under Apache their version of OpenOffice is going to acquire all the accessibility stuff 
from IBM.  AOO's version 4.0 (due out around February?) is apparently going to incorporate all that 
in a new UI.  I'm not convinced they will actually manage it or even that  the rumour is true.  

A side issue is that Impress seems to attract far less devs-time and doesn't seem to be as 
excellent as Writer, Calc or Draw.  However i tend to feel the same about PowerPoint too.  PP seems 
to have more functionality but it's a Pita to use and not just because of the usual MS issues.  
There are a lot of independent programs that do a far better job of producing and running 
slide-shows.  I keep losing the lists that people give me but even your package manager might give 
some good ideas.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@gmail.com>
> To: 'Christophe Strobbe' <strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de>; marc@marcpare.com; 'LibO Mailing List 
> Accessibility' <accessibility@global.libreoffice.org>; 'Florian Effenberger' 
> <floeff@documentfoundation.org> 
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:40
> Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Funding Wishlist
>
> Hi,
> One area that I'd like addressed is Impress accessibility in Linux.  The authoring and presenting 
> experience is far behind that which can be had using MS tools on Windows with a screen reader.  I 
> am a professional trainer and use presentation software every day.  If my company were to move 
> away from Microsoft and embrace either Libre or Open Office, it would be a disaster for me as I 
> rely heavily on Powerpoint to do my job.  
>
> I'd certainly like for all the
 accessibility stuff to be fixed in Windows but others have mentioned it so, I thought I'd bring up 
something far more close to home for me.  
> Thanks.
> Alex
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christophe Strobbe [mailto:strobbe@hdm-stuttgart.de] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 10:39 AM
> To: marc@marcpare.com; LibO Mailing List Accessibility; Florian Effenberger
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Re: Funding Wishlist
>
> Hi,
>
>
> (I was away from this list for a while because I moved to a different employer and a different 
> country earlier this year.)
>
>
> Am Di, 20.11.2012, 16:48 schrieb Marc Paré:
> > (...)
> > To the accessibility team, if there was funding available for such a 
> > thing, what would your items be and in order of
 preference. I know in 
> > my local school boards Dragon Speaking is a requirement, that is, 
> > unless there is an equivalent replacement.
>
> That's an interesting question, since I prepared a presentation on LibreOffice accessibility for 
> FOSDEM 2012 but I had to cancel it (force majeure, basically).
>
> The issues can be divided into two categories:
> 1. The accessibility of LibreOffice itself. The most important blocker is the missing 
> implementation of IAccessible2 (the Java Accessibility API is not sufficiently supported on 
> Windows). There are also a few issues on Gnome. (My presentation for FOSDEM contained bug IDs 
> etc.) 2. Features that allow you to create accessible content - not only accessible ODF documents, 
> but also formats that you can "save as" or export, e.g. HTML and PDF.  (Again, my presentation for 
> FOSDEM contained bug IDs etc.)
>
> I would say that the IAccessible2 issue is the biggest one. It's been a
 while since I was involved in discussions about this, but the LibreOffice developers were 
basically waiting for the IAccessible2 implementation in OpenOffice.org, which they would then 
borrow. (In order to avoid duplication of efforts.)
> I'm sure other list members will chime in with comments.
>
>
>
> > Another funding wishlist item could be that the TDF/LibreOffice help 
> > fund an Accessibility conference where some of the leading members of 
> > the accessibility team along with other interested partners could meet 
> > to try to solve bottlenecks in development for LibreOffice.
>
> Not sure if it necessary to fund a conference. Do you mean travel costs?
> The LibreOffice conferences should be good opportunities, but my experience in Paris last year was 
> that it is difficult to get developers to attend an accessibility presentation when there are 
> technical tracks running in parallel.
>
>
> > It
 is sometimes good to meet as a team with 3rd party software 
> > providers to see what kind of progress or what type of cooperative 
> > development could take place.
>
> This reminds me of earlier work to enable OOo support in Dragon Naturally
> Speaking:
> <https://blogs.oracle.com/malte/entry/speech_recognition_for_openoffice_org>.
> I don't know if this still works.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Christophe
>
>
> > ===============
> >
> > Would there be any other items that you could think of to put on your 
> > wishlist?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
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