Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: TDF-Website: Page with Statutes

Hi Marc,

Am 09.09.2012 21:00, schrieb Marc Paré:
> Le 2012-09-09 14:10, Andreas Mantke a écrit :
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > Am 09.09.2012 18:23, schrieb Marc Paré:
> > >
(...)
> > you are right. We should explain in a paragraph at the beginning of the
> > page that the original of the statutes is in German and that they could
> > find an English translation at the bottom of the site, maybe with links
> > to the English text.
>
> I don't believe that it this is a conventional treatment of a citation
> where when you cite a reference that the reference itself comes first,
> especially one of this size. You would normally put that reference at
> the bottom of the text, in this case at the bottom of the EN text, or
> as a footnote where a link would take you to the original DE text.
I don't know if the German version is only a reference. But anyway you
could change the order of the versions (like on the privacy policy page)
and put a paragraph with the explanation at the top of the page (with
the link to the German text).

> > > Also, more importantly, even though the original statutes document was
> > > most likely in DE, the TDF site is supposed to be in international EN
> > > (by our own site building convention). Therefore, if anything, the EN
> > > version should come first for our site visitors to read.
> > The case is here a bit different because the German text is the root and
> > the English version is the best possible translation. It's because the
> > foundation is created with the domicile in Berlin, Germany under the
> > German law.
>
> I really don't think this matters, it could be in any language. The
> TDF and LibreOffice global sites are EN and this should not change.
No. The TDF is founded using the German law system and the official
language of the authorities is German. You had to submit your papers in
German (I think that would be the same in every other country that you
had to use the official language of that country).

> Also, when you say the «English version is the best possible
> translation» ... was the text offered for review by the marketing team
> or the documentation team?
There were some members involved in the translation and it's review but
a translation of a legal text isn't that easy and thus there maybe an
imprecision or an ambiguity etc. in the translation something that you
would be aware in the TDF administration work.

> > > My recommendation: move the EN version to the top of the page, and if
> > > the original document was in DE, leave a comment where the DE version
> > > starts saying something like:
> > >
> > > "Original German text" or "German text registered with ..." or
> > > something explaining why there is a DE version on the page.
> > >
> > > Better to leave our visitor's well informed rather than asking obvious
> > > questions.
> > >
> > > My question to all of this is: why it it so important to have the DE
> > > text at all?
> > See my explanation above. We all need the German text because we had to
> > compare it with the English one.
> >
> > We have also German visitors on our site. They could and want to  read
> > the original.
>
> Well, I am French Canadian, and would then like a FR version of it too
> ... you can very well see that this argument will lead to more of this
> from any other language group. As far as I know the project is not a
> DE project but an international project with it main functioning
> language in international English. If German visitors want to see the
> original text, then they can visit the reference link.
If you want to create a translation go ahead. Maybe that could spread
our mission a bit more.

> > We have the link to a PDF-Version of both versions in the footer of the
> > site (link to the German text at the first position).
>
> Yes, and that is the proper treatment for a reference.
I hope it helps, if you change the order of both texts.

> > I hope it would help to have a short paragraph at the beginning of the
> > site and a link to the English translation.
>
> No, a link to the DE would be better and, more to the point, this is
> what it should reflect. The pages should remain EN. And yes, there
> should be a short paragraph indicating that the statutes root are from
> a DE document as the TDF was registered in DE.

OK. Please edit the page and add the paragraph with the explanation.

Regards,
Andreas

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