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Hi Charles, *,

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Charles Marcus
<> wrote:
On 2011-01-15 4:41 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:
I would sincerely hope that this would not disappear in the near future,
it would in my humble opinion, be a great shame to lose all that work.


The integration of mail list <> forums <> newsgroups alone is worth
using Drupal, assuming of course that it can indeed be accomplished as
Michael described...

And this attitude/point of view towards it surely was one of the
reasons for the SC to be so drastic about its statement.

You must not force people into a single infrastructure. There is no
need to force everything into drupal. I hardly see any benefit of
having mailinglist or forums covered by drupal itself.

The problem is not drupal the technology, but that people were not
listening to each other.

That really is the biggest problem. The impression people got is that
drupal team is only interested in pushing drupal, not in how community
works. You cannot force people to use whatever feature just because it
is available in future when people have been using another solution
for years that just fits their needs.

Sophie (as member of the SC) and others did attempt several times to
point this out, but basically it always continued like that.

LO does not start completely from scratch. It has 10 years of history
it shares with the project. During that time, various
ways of collaboration have formed, various tools are used. You cannot
just throw that all away and force it all into drupal.

Also it was stressed many times that we urgently need a website with
content, a css theme, etc. But instead on working on a theme together,
drupal just did their own "in the backyard" - and then that in turn
led to the situation where David and very few others had to do it all
by themselves, under quite a bit of time pressure. And the frustrating
part about it was that while there were many requests for help "please
provide content, please help with the theme" there was no feedback, no
help offers, but instead one had to read "tada - look at our beautiful
drupal theme", or "we got great plans, we envision <whatever>". So in
fact SC's statement comes much too late.

But then again: Drupal is not "dead" at all - it should just be clear
that the primary focus must be the site that is public for the user.


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