Re: [libreoffice-website] Regroup and further development of the website(s)

Hi Mike, all,

just a few points I want to mention...
They are my personal opinion, but having been part of the OOo community 
for quite a number of years, I'm quite sure that they are shared by 
other people too.

Michael Wheatland schrieb:
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Charles-H. Schulz
> <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>  wrote:
> > Michael,
> >
> > The admins have run this since the beginning and I don't see why we should
> > host our website elsewhere. Now the website team has some people with admin
> > rights and that's how it works. It's actually the usual way to operate
> > elsewhere. What wouldyou suggest?
>
> I am not suggesting changing anything as long as the website team has
> the autonomy and authority to modify and improve our areas of
> responsibility ourselves.

The present website team consists of the people working on the website 
and improving it.

Your activities have been a different main focus in the past, so it is 
great to have you on board again.

When David presented his first iteration of the website, he had to face 
some comments on different parts of his work. He tried to reply to quite 
a number of postings here on the list, but he couldn't see a common 
direction in the comments, so discussions led to nothing than more 
discussions.

As we urgently need the website and most of us think it has to be 
improved sooner than later, David started a new iteration of the site.

He asked the SC for their approval to work on the site until the 10th of 
January and he wanted to hand it over to the community at this time.

Probably because there have not been an active website team, but only a 
few people commenting the now active website in different directions, he 
asked the SC to be the responsible group to accept the website.

> It was simply the suggestion that the Steering Committee would be kept
> in the loop before the website team that seems disrespectful and
> somewhat belittles the team.

You might see it different, but there is no active website team at the 
moment except the few people working on the site.

The website team didn't manage to create content for the main site for 
several weeks, so we have to doubt, if there is a team at all.

We will create the team in a few days, as I'm very sure that the SC will 
accept the website created by David and Ivan who supports him at the 
moment.

As this new version will contain address of our concerns for the present 
website, the new website team will be able to work on improvements 
continuously.

I don't know if we need a formal "lead" as the LibO community tries to 
avoid hierarchical structures. Decisions are based on merit instead: 
People who have actively worked on a certain task have the most 
important voice in decisions about this topic.

The website needs a group of people taking care of it's quality, because 
this is the first and most prominent area where potential users and 
contributors contact LibreOffice.

This group has to consist of specialists in webdesign, user experience, 
marketing and documentation, and I'm quite sure that you will be a 
relevant part of this group once you have shown your active contribution 
to *this* area of work.

We will have a new active website team - let's start working after the 10th.

> Hence, the progress that David has made privately should be shared
> with the website team as a whole to allow review and future
> contributions from the whole team.

It will be shared after the 10th (as I already mentioned above, the SC 
will not refuse Davids and Ivan's great work).

Review and future contributions will be done by the new team - following 
the recommendations of the experts mentioned above.
> There are many people involved in this list who are keen to
> contribute. Lets get them involved.

I truly hope so, even if the past did prove the opposite...

> To do that, we need to be kept up to date with the Silverstripe site
> progress and encourage collaboration, delegation and accountability.

Even if David is working on a sandbox site, his progress can be looked 
at, as the link to the site has already been posted here on the list.

He's probably doing more work in the background, so the site is not at 
the bleeding edge, but as he asked us to wait with comments three more 
days, I don't think that this causes any problems.

(I don't repeat the link here - if you think it is important to have a 
look at it *now*, you'll find it in the archives).

If we'll have an active team from the 10th on, the future workflow will 
not only concentrate on improving the content, but in involving (new) 
community contributors too.

Best regards

Bernhard

PS: Please remember: My personal opinion only!

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