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Le 2011-01-07 02:43, Sophie Gautier a écrit :

Hi Sophie:


On 07/01/2011 10:17, Marc Paré wrote:

When there is no organisation, then there is no action and a loss of
collective contribution. There has to be better organised methods used
if we are to get anywhere. Proof that organising works is the recent
movement to organise all teams with a tasks list
( targetted to the
release(s) of LibO distro(s). We are all better equipped to work this
way. Many thanks to the person who organised this list of tasks.

argh, as I'm the one who has committed this, please let me explain that
this is not organization, it's only information. It's not because it's
on the wiki that it's done.
This page only means: Now that you know what needs to be done, you are
responsible to act or not. No need to be entitled of whatever name for
that. And you don't need to wait for somebody to tell you what to do.
It's here, do it or leave it to someone else.

Thanks. It does however give the group a starting point and direction. This is what was meant. It is more productive to get some help from the seasoned stakeholders and move on from there. Which is why this is so important to get the group moving in one direction.

And yes, I did understand the reason for which you did this.

We will create the team in a few days, as I'm very sure that the SC will
accept the website created by David and Ivan who supports him at the

As this new version will contain address of our concerns for the present
website, the new website team will be able to work on improvements

I don't know if we need a formal "lead" as the LibO community tries to
avoid hierarchical structures. Decisions are based on merit instead:
People who have actively worked on a certain task have the most
important voice in decisions about this topic.

The website needs a group of people taking care of it's quality, because
this is the first and most prominent area where potential users and
contributors contact LibreOffice.

This group has to consist of specialists in webdesign, user experience,
marketing and documentation, and I'm quite sure that you will be a
relevant part of this group once you have shown your active contribution
to *this* area of work.

Perhaps then we should revisit this. There have already been discussions
on the documentation team of a documentation lead. Italo is our defacto
lead with the marketing team (we have ablsolutely no problem with this).
This seems to work quite well with these teams. Why would there not be
this kind of leadership role for the website team? As you state, this is
the "first and most prominent area" of LibreOffice.

We don't need formal leads, we need people able to act and be
responsible in front of the whole community or the whole project if you
prefer. If somebody claims to be member of the website team, whatever he
prefers to do, he should work on what *has to be done*. It's just a
matter of commitment to the group. You can lead a task one day and not
the other, and it reflects more how an open source project is working.

Kind regards

Personally, I would see leads more as in a mentorship role to the teams. If the teams get too way off track, the lead would step in and add words of wisdom as well as play an active role in role modelling. There is no need to vote on any lead, leaders just shine by themselves and promote community growth.



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