Re: Do we need a WYSIWYG for the wiki ? (was: Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?)

Hi all!

The latest changes in the wiki made me a bit inefficient, so I both
re-enabled the editor and also would like to add my thoughts here.

Am Freitag, den 05.11.2010, 20:46 +0100 schrieb Stefan Weigel:
> Hi Florian, *,
>
> Am 05.11.2010 17:05, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
>
> > > * There is currently no real WYSIWIG editor that works[1]. If there
> > > were, Wikimedia would use it.
> >
> > I'm happy to hear other opinions, but IMHO we *NEED* a WYSIWYG
> > editor. Many users will be very uncomfortable otherwise, so I'd even
> > take the risk of slightly defective pages in favor of WYSIWYG. I use
> > FCKEditor on another wiki of a customer, and it performs quite well.
> > I'm for it, but that's just my take. ;)
>
> I personally would never use the WYSIWYG editor. I consider myself
> as an average skilled user.
>
> Do other users need one or ask for one? I don´t know.

Then do I :-) So why am I using a WYSIWYG editor: It is less about the
WYSIWYG, but ...

... the different access to features. I work a lot with tables, because
they provide easy access to structured data (being sortable etc.).
Inserting tables is easy, but to e.g. adding another column within the
table can you cost minutes fiddling in the source - the WYSIWYG editor
provides a "two clicks solution".

... the better (visual) navigation on the page. Although I do understand
the wiki syntax (and I edit the source quite often), I am still far away
from the guys in the movie Matrix. [1]

Some more things 

In an close-to-ideal world, a wiki features:
      * Something like a FCKEditor (2.6.4.1), ...
      * providing different outline levels for lists, ...
      * easier category handling, ...
      * more stable copy/paste functionality, ...
      * something like a Navigator, ...
      * active spell checking, ...
      * and larger buttons.

Seems simple, or? :-)

> However, I see Wikipedia without WYSIWYG and most Wikipedia authors
> are definitely far away from being a hackers brain. ;-)
>
> Other examples, and quite compareable to us, are wiki.ubuntuusers.de
> as well as the community wiki at ubuntu.com. They don´t have WYSIWYG
> either.
>
> If a WYSIWYG editor is a risk to our content, I would recommend not
> to have one. I´d rather recommend to use LibreOffice Writer and its
> "Export to MediaWiki" functionality. :-)

That works more or less when creating a page. But working on a page that
gets changed quite regularly is rather impossible. Besides not having
the pictures, missing 

> 2 ct,
>
> Stefan

+2 ct

Cheers,
Christoph

> -- 
> LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir!

:-)))



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