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Hi Manuel!

First, nice to meet you ... I hope your (born?) child is well - along
with the mother. My best wishes to her!

Am Montag, den 08.11.2010, 09:51 +0100 schrieb Manuel Schneider:
Hi Florian,

FCKEditor is already disabled since Wednesday last week as per Stefan 
Weigel's request.

Concerning your argument for the WYSIWYG editor:

I have ask for people to speak up if they need the editor. So far I have 
not received a single person speaking up for itself in favour of the editor.

I did :-)

The statistics I have provided you with speak the same language - only 
one user of more than 200 using it.

Two questions - using the editor, or enabling it to be the default?

And, are we really sure that the people who currently work in the wiki
are the target group for a rich-text editor? From my point-of-view, many
of the users we want to address with this tool to contribute content
didn't arrive yet.

Just because /we believe/ or /fear/ that we need one is a bad argument 
for it.

Correct. But this also means to giving it some serious thought - if
removing/disabling it causes headaches, too.


Am 08.11.2010 09:41, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
Hi Andrea,

Andrea Pescetti wrote on 2010-11-06 23.33:
In general I'm against WYSIWYG editors in MediaWiki also because they
often mangle code enough to make the "diff" function useless. But if you
know for sure that there are people who won't live without a WYSIWYG
editor, then I can't oppose it too much. I would, however, make it
disabled by default but then (since only knowledgeable people will know
where to find the option otherwise!) add a prominent "To enable
easy[/rich?] editing capabilities, click here" notice just above the
editing textarea.

I can't prove, but I'm quite sure that we would lose a lot of possible
contributors to the wiki if we disabled the WYSIWYG editor at all. I'm
not limited to FCKeditor, I'm open for any solution, but WYSIWYG is
mandatory, I fear.

I however agree, that disabling it per default is a good idea, and
showing a link on the editing page for people to enable the editor is a
good idea.

IMHO, this only requires one option in LocalSettings.php,
riched_start_disable =1 or something like that. Manuel, could you maybe
have a look?


Manuel Schneider

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