Richt-Text Editors (was: Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?)

Hi Manuel!

First, nice to meet you ... I hope your (born?) child is well - along
with the mother. My best wishes to her!

Am Montag, den 08.11.2010, 09:51 +0100 schrieb Manuel Schneider:
> Hi Florian,
>
> FCKEditor is already disabled since Wednesday last week as per Stefan 
> Weigel's request.
>
> Concerning your argument for the WYSIWYG editor:
>
> I have ask for people to speak up if they need the editor. So far I have 
> not received a single person speaking up for itself in favour of the editor.

I did :-)

http://www.mail-archive.com/website@libreoffice.org/msg00856.html

> The statistics I have provided you with speak the same language - only 
> one user of more than 200 using it.

Two questions - using the editor, or enabling it to be the default?

And, are we really sure that the people who currently work in the wiki
are the target group for a rich-text editor? From my point-of-view, many
of the users we want to address with this tool to contribute content
didn't arrive yet.

> Just because /we believe/ or /fear/ that we need one is a bad argument 
> for it.

Correct. But this also means to giving it some serious thought - if
removing/disabling it causes headaches, too.

Cheers,
Christoph

> Am 08.11.2010 09:41, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
> > Hi Andrea,
> >
> > Andrea Pescetti wrote on 2010-11-06 23.33:
> > > In general I'm against WYSIWYG editors in MediaWiki also because they
> > > often mangle code enough to make the "diff" function useless. But if you
> > > know for sure that there are people who won't live without a WYSIWYG
> > > editor, then I can't oppose it too much. I would, however, make it
> > > disabled by default but then (since only knowledgeable people will know
> > > where to find the option otherwise!) add a prominent "To enable
> > > easy[/rich?] editing capabilities, click here" notice just above the
> > > editing textarea.
> >
> > I can't prove, but I'm quite sure that we would lose a lot of possible
> > contributors to the wiki if we disabled the WYSIWYG editor at all. I'm
> > not limited to FCKeditor, I'm open for any solution, but WYSIWYG is
> > mandatory, I fear.
> >
> > I however agree, that disabling it per default is a good idea, and
> > showing a link on the editing page for people to enable the editor is a
> > good idea.
> >
> > IMHO, this only requires one option in LocalSettings.php,
> > riched_start_disable =1 or something like that. Manuel, could you maybe
> > have a look?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Florian
>
> -- 
> Regards
> Manuel Schneider
>
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