[libreoffice-website] Re: ConfCall wiki page broken?

Le 2010-11-08 06:04, Stefan Weigel a écrit :
> Hi Marc,
>
> Am 08.11.2010 10:20, schrieb Marc Paré:
>
> > Yup, I'm on the wiki now, using the rich text editor and it works
> > fine for me.
>
> Just avoid to copy&  paste wiki source code into the Rich Editor.
> This may mess up your article completely. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Stefan

Thanks Stefan. I also notice that the FCKEditor has not been replaced by 
CKEditor yet. It looks like the CKEditor devs are working on it but 
still not ready. For those who are not aware, the FCKEditor and its 
newest version CKEditor for WikiMedia are rewoked versions made to 
output in wiki code. They are not the same versions as the text WYSIWYG 
FCKEditor and CKEditor.

I know that as WYSIWYG editors go, CKEditor is one of the best WYSYWYG 
version going on the market, along with, IMO Xanhia.

BTW, in all fairness, there are probably more people like me who would 
rather work through WYSIWYG editors but when presented with an editor 
are just not that committed to learning wiki code. Myself, I have no 
interest in learning wiki code, but am interested in helping out and 
contributing. I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way.

I am old enough to have gone through, years ago, the boo's and jeers 
from Wordprocessor purists who told me that writing in code rather than 
writing with a WYSIWYG programme was the only real way to write 
documents; same thing when I was boo'ed, jeered when I was told that 
using a text browser only was the only way to browse;  as well as boo'ed 
and jeered because I used a spellcheck in my wordprocessors and mail 
programmes ... . History, it seems, will repeat itself.

Here are the arguments that I used 30 years ago in trying to convince 
others that a WYSIWYG wordprecessor was a better option ... By using a 
WYSIWYG that works, we are including that ability of 100%o of 
participation from the general public. Document writing is not there to 
collect users who are expert in text coding; it's there to gather 
information and encourage participation from everyone. I was, at the 
time, working for a music magazine, using CP/M with a text editor and, I 
had bought an AtariST with STWriter, and I could type in my text quicker 
than anyone in the magazine office because it was functional and I was 
not slowed down by text formatting codes.

As for the FCKEditor, We should be looking at other WYSIWYG editors that 
work if this one doesn't suit, or disable identified problem functions 
until we find a fix.

But really, are we not looking for full participation or the potential 
of full participation? We could still have the wiki editors for the 
wiki-code-proficient group and for the rest of us who would like to jump 
in and help out, we could also have a WYSIWYG editor. That would then 
make for 100% membership participation.

Cheers

Marc


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