Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-website] ConfCall wiki page broken?

Hi Manuel,

first of all, thanks for all the time you invest, that's really much 
appreciated! Sorry for all the discussions and the burden we put on you. ;)

Manuel Schneider wrote on 2010-11-05 09.16:

> I've never heard of CKEditor before, so I had to check.
>
> It is not in the SVN. But Google tells me that CKEditor is nothing but a
> never revision of FCKEditor - not a fork or different project, just a
> change of names. So maybe what I have in SVN under FCKeditor is this
> newer version. As there is no version information included in the
> codebase I can't tell which version it is.

Oh, okay, good to know, thanks.

> Some basic thoughts about WYSIWYG in MediaWiki:
>
> * There is currently no real WYSIWIG editor that works[1]. If there
> were, Wikimedia would use it.

I'm happy to hear other opinions, but IMHO we *NEED* a WYSIWYG editor. 
Many users will be very uncomfortable otherwise, so I'd even take the 
risk of slightly defective pages in favor of WYSIWYG. I use FCKEditor on 
another wiki of a customer, and it performs quite well. I'm for it, but 
that's just my take. ;)

> One of the first things I did in the TDF wiki was to integrate these
> extensions. They also bring the new editing toolbar (which is not
> WYSIWYG, but works smothly).

Thanks a lot! However, I fear it is not enough for most users. :( As we 
want to encourage our users to use the wiki, we should provide more...

> * I don't see a big need for a real WYSIWYG editor. Wikimedia has found
> the biggest online community in the world, not even having the
> UsabilityInitiative improvements available for many years.

I know my users. ;)

> Seriosly, while it took me an hour to clean up the Steering Commitee
> Meetings article, while it wouldn't have been any time investment if the
> article was written the right way in the first place. Not to mention the
> Main Pages I had to clean up the day before, and they are already
> crapped again.

Thanks for all your work! Despiste the professional recommendation, that 
I basically share, I fear we need the WYSIWYG editor.

What do others think?

Thanks again, Manuel - great to have you in the boat!

Florian

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