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Hi Manuel,

first of all, thanks for all the time you invest, that's really much appreciated! Sorry for all the discussions and the burden we put on you. ;)

Manuel Schneider wrote on 2010-11-05 09.16:

I've never heard of CKEditor before, so I had to check.

It is not in the SVN. But Google tells me that CKEditor is nothing but a
never revision of FCKEditor - not a fork or different project, just a
change of names. So maybe what I have in SVN under FCKeditor is this
newer version. As there is no version information included in the
codebase I can't tell which version it is.

Oh, okay, good to know, thanks.

Some basic thoughts about WYSIWYG in MediaWiki:

* There is currently no real WYSIWIG editor that works[1]. If there
were, Wikimedia would use it.

I'm happy to hear other opinions, but IMHO we *NEED* a WYSIWYG editor. Many users will be very uncomfortable otherwise, so I'd even take the risk of slightly defective pages in favor of WYSIWYG. I use FCKEditor on another wiki of a customer, and it performs quite well. I'm for it, but that's just my take. ;)

One of the first things I did in the TDF wiki was to integrate these
extensions. They also bring the new editing toolbar (which is not
WYSIWYG, but works smothly).

Thanks a lot! However, I fear it is not enough for most users. :( As we want to encourage our users to use the wiki, we should provide more...

* I don't see a big need for a real WYSIWYG editor. Wikimedia has found
the biggest online community in the world, not even having the
UsabilityInitiative improvements available for many years.

I know my users. ;)

Seriosly, while it took me an hour to clean up the Steering Commitee
Meetings article, while it wouldn't have been any time investment if the
article was written the right way in the first place. Not to mention the
Main Pages I had to clean up the day before, and they are already
crapped again.

Thanks for all your work! Despiste the professional recommendation, that I basically share, I fear we need the WYSIWYG editor.

What do others think?

Thanks again, Manuel - great to have you in the boat!


Florian Effenberger <>
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