Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer: rotating a text frame with respect to the superordinate text

Hi Philip,

You have introduced a useful perspective [which has given me much to think about]: the Drawing 
toolbar can insert a Text Box, not a Text Frame. Unfortunately, the Writer Guide and online Help 
are silent on this topic, so some testing is needed to work out the differences, which are subtle:

- A Text Frame is conceptually a block of text, very much aware of the paradigm of putting text on 
paper. It understands page sizes and positions and mutual interference with other text (inside or 
outside of frames) on the page. But it /can't/ be rotated.

- A Text Box is a drawing object and, like any other drawing object, not really aware of page size 
or other text on the page, though it does have Wrap properties to force other text or drawing 
objects to respect its boundaries. Importantly for my current purpose, a Text Box /can/ be rotated.

From a design standpoint, it would probably be beneficial to understand the motivations that 
prompted development of each of these tools, but that's a problem for another day.  IAC, going back 
to the problem that started this thread, I will try putting the table inside a Text Box (not a 
Frame) to occupy the center of the booklet. If there are anchoring or wrapping problems, the Text 
Box may need to be put inside a Frame. If there are no further contributions to this thread, I will 
report back to tie up loose ends on this thread.

Thanks for all proposals to solve this problem,
John


On 2024-07-30 08:30, Philip Jackson wrote:
> . . .
> What about trying the Drawing toolbar and inserting a text frame - that can be rotated from the 
> properties list?
>
> Philip
>
> On 30/07/2024 11:57, John Kaufmann wrote:
> > Mike,
> >
> > If I understand correctly, your suggestion addresses how to simulate a double-wide page at the 
> > center, using two frames. But that's not my problem. There is no problem having two different page 
> > sizes. That is just a matter of defining two page styles, then switching to the double-wide page 
> > style for just the middle of the booklet.
> >
> > My problem is simply how to rotate a frame - I can't recall how to do that in LO. [I'm beginning to 
> > wonder if I ever did that with Writer; maybe it was with WordPerfect.] If you know how to rotate a 
> > frame in Writer, I would be grateful to know that.
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > On 2024-07-30 00:58, Michael Coughlin wrote:
> > > John:
> > > I'm no expert in Libre Office, so please forgive me if I don't fully understand your situation. My 
> > > (perhaps very amateur approach) was to suggest that you treat the centerfold you need by creating 
> > > two full-page frames, one for the left-hand page and one for the right-hand page. Put  your text 
> > > into each frame by creating the  left page's text and then rotating it t90 degrees to butt it up 
> > > with the text created for the right=hand page, text that you also rotated 90 degrees. Then, move 
> > > the respective text blocks so they come close to the gutter edges of both pages and appear to butt 
> > > together.
> > > Somewhere, I read about how to create a landscape-page spread in a document that otherwise is made 
> > > up of portrait pages, but I can't just now remember where I saw that information.  I think it was 
> > > done by inserting two pages, both with landscape orientation, into your existing portrait 
> > > orientation document.
> > >
> > > Mike
>
>
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