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Hi Susanne and Regina,

in this post there is already a sketch by Mike Kaganski (is not so old yet):

Would that be usable?

Freundliche Grüße

Am 25.10.2022 um 11:45 schrieb
Hallo Harald,

yes- A document template would be nice.
I will need a time. At the moment I am still on vacation and read the list on the side.
Thanks in advance for your support!

Kind regards

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Oktober 2022 09:54
Betreff: Re: [libreoffice-users] Position references

Hello Susanne and Regina,

if you like I can put it in the wiki (incl. rework).

Susanne I would then send you a document template for the wiki text that I always use.

I have not read the topic very intensively now, but it is very interesting in any case.

Kind regards

Am 25.10.2022 um 08:10 schrieb Susanne LO:
Hallo Regina,

Did you sent John such a document?
I will create a document for our german users with examples for the lot of positions. And explain 
Where can i publish ist for the community?

And: in LO 7.4.1 the is no reference to page in the context menu, only wehen i use properties.


Susanne Mohn

Am 15.10.2022 um 21:57 schrieb Regina Henschel <>:

Hi John,

John Kaufmann schrieb am 15.10.2022 um 19:45:

Anchoring an entity (frame, box, image, ...) is done with respect to
position references:
      Paragraph area
      Paragraph text area
      Left paragraph border
      Right paragraph border
      Left page border
      Right page border
      Entire page
      Page text area
Please use a current daily build. The wording has changed.

"Entire page" = "Left of page text area" + "Page text area" + "Right
of page text area".

"Entire paragraph area" = "Left of paragraph text area" + "Paragraph
text area" + "Right of paragraph text area".

The "Left of page text area" is the sum of "Gutter" (if left) + "left
page margin" + "page border left" + "page padding left" as set in the
page properties dialog.

The "Left of paragraph text area" is the sum of "Indent before" +
"paragraph border" + "paragraph padding" as set in the paragraph
properties dialog.

Notice, that the column distance is not included in the "Entire
paragraph area".

Left, Center and Right use areas as reference.
"From left" takes the left edge of the area as reference line.

You should insert a small image and test the various positions.

In general the preview illustration describes it correctly. But some
bugs exist.

When using anchor "to character" you get some additional references.
Anchor "as character" has its own set of references. For testing
these anchors use a large font size, a line with different font
sizes, a large line spacing and a small image.

I'll sent you a document with some lines to indicate the horizontal
areas. In addition I will sent you an older document which I have
created for the ODF TC. Describing the reference areas is still a not
solved task in the ODF TC. A problem in all that descriptions is that
common using of terms like "margin" and "border" does not correspond
to the technical attributes "fo:margin" and "fo:border".

It would be really good to get a document with all that reference
areas and lines explained. I do not mean a technical one with ODF
attributes but a document for users about the kind of positioning
possible in LibreOffice.

Kind regards

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