Re: [libreoffice-users] Writer Character styles: "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character Style" vs "- None -"

Hi John,

Am 02.10.2022 um 14:30 schrieb John Kaufmann:
> On 2022-10-02 02:50, LO.Harald.Berger@t-online.de wrote:
> > Am 02.10.2022 um 07:06 schrieb John Kaufmann:
>
> > > Discussing Character styles, the Help says of the particular style 
> > > "No Character Style" that:
> > >
> > > > "No Character Style is actually the set of character properties of 
> > > > the current paragraph style. Choose No Character Style to reset the 
> > > > character properties of the selection to those of the paragraph 
> > > > style."
> > >
> > > That sounds fine -- a needed function (though it is new in LO 7, 
> > > isn't it?). 
> >
> > Yes and No, this Character Style is called "Default" in older 
> > LibreOffice versions.
>
> Do you know exactly when it changed? I'm searching for release notes.
No, sorry.
> > > But then how does that differ from the particular style "Default 
> > > Paragraph Style" (about which the Help is silent)? Is not the 
> > > Default Paragraph Style already set by the current Paragraph style? 
> > > What does it mean to designate a Character style as "Default 
> > > Paragraph Style"?
> >
> > The "Default Paragraph Style" is sort of the mother of all paragraph 
> > styles, IMHO it should not be used, but "Text Body" instead.
>
> I'm sorry, but isn't "Text Body" a Paragraph style, not a Character 
> style?  My question is about the different purposes of the /Character/ 
> styles "Default Paragraph Style" [about which, as I asked, What does 
> it mean to designate a /Character/ style as "Default Paragraph 
> Style"?], "No Character Style" and "- None -".

I must have misunderstood that then.
> Finally: though "- None -" is not among the pre-defined Character 
> styles, it is among the parent choices when defining a new Character 
> style.  How does the behavior of a Character style change when 
> "Inherit from" is set to "Default Paragraph Font" vs "No Character 
> Style" vs "- None -"? [I have not detected a difference.]
> > Unfortunately, I did not understand your last paragraph (sorry). Why vs?
>
> Sorry. The contraction "vs" [versus] is simply a shorthand way of 
> contrasting members of a class. In other words, what is the difference 
> between Inheriting a Character style:
>     - from "Default Paragraph Font" or
>     - from "No Character Style" or
>     - from "- None -" ?

Well, vs was and is already clear to me.
However, your juxtaposition as a question is unclear to me.
I will try to give an answer, in the hope that it answers your question 
somehow.

Let's look at it from the text. Let's say you have written 10 paragraphs 
and each paragraph has a different paragraph style.
Now you want to bold one word in each paragraph. You select the words 
and assign the character style "Strong Emphasis" to each.
Now you have added one word too many with the character style sheet 
"Strong Emphasis".
You now select the word and assign the "No Character Style" character 
style sheet. The word now has its old format meaning again.

> > Here is some more, I hope, helpful information:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Professional_work_in_Writer
>
> Thanks. I look forward to seeing that. Unfortunately, for the past 
> hour the status of that URL is:
> > "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties."
> >
> > "Try waiting a few minutes and reloading."
> >
> > "(Cannot access the database: Unknown error (localhost))"
This should be fixed.

Kind Regards
Harald


> I will keep trying that, because it sounds promising.  As you say, 
> there is a change here (which makes sense; Character styles have 
> always suffered somewhat from unclear motivation). I'm sure that there 
> are release notes on this topic somewhere, but don't know where to 
> find them. However, I will continue looking, and am currently looking in:
>     <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=%22Character%20style%22>. 
>
>
> I appreciate your response.
> Kind regards,
> John


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