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Dear John,

first of all, thank you very much for your feedback.
This has led me to probe a little deeper into the theme.

Well I am not a developer but also just a user like you.
Therefore, as a user, you can only ever tell about experiences.

It is also possible that I did not understand your question correctly. Sorry, English is not my native language.

But now to the point. I'm glad you are familiar with frames, because they are a powerful tool in Writer.

There is also what I hope is a pleasing development for you.
You can use and change the flowchart graphics.
However, this only works in Draw.

I think it is a mistake that this does not work in Writer.
In this respect it would be appropriate to write a bug report.

Now for the differences, which I found out thanks to your feedback.

-- Flow charts in Writer. --

When you insert a flowchart object into Writer, you can't actually change it (as I said, probably a bug).
In this example I used the graphic object "Process".
Right-click the object and select Properties from the context menu.
The dialog shows you that it is an image and this is therefore not editable.

-- Flow charts in Draw. --

In Draw, add again the flow chart object "Process".
If you now double-click on the text, the cursor will appear for editing. (Heureka)

Try right-clicking on the object.
With "Break" you can learn that it is a composite object. Use the navigator to see the individual sub-objects.

-- Workaround - my proposal --

Create flowchart objects for your purposes in Draw and copy them to Writer.

I wish you much success.

Kind regards,

Am 25.04.2022 um 01:28 schrieb John Kaufmann:
Thanks, Harald. That article is about using frames (including linked frames) to layout a DTP project; it does not address the Gallery, or even the inclusion of graphics generally.  FWIW, I'm familiar with frames (and even use them in this document), but don't see how they relate to the question of included graphics, from the Gallery or elsewhere.

Most of the Gallery contents seem to be traditional clip-art (graphical symbols), including those collected in the "Flow chart" category. How do those flowchart symbols differ from others? [The Gallery has three other categories - "BPMN", "Diagrams", "Shapes" - that also contain descriptive text with graphics; my original question would also apply in those cases.]  Is your point that I should forget the Gallery and make my own graphics (from Draw or elsewhere)? (If so, what is the purpose of the Gallery?)

Kind regards,

On 2022-04-24 09:30, wrote:
IMHO, the flowchart symbols are not suitable for your purposes.
For graphical symbols that should contain text, text boxes, drawing symbols or frames are suitable.
Please have a look if this article helps you:


Am 24.04.2022 um 14:52 schrieb John Kaufmann:
In years of using OO/LO (now @, I have never been interested in the Gallery of multimedia objects. Now I have an application for it, and can't see how to execute a simple inclusion of a graphic without its attached descriptive text.

Specifically: in Writer I have a 4-page booklet/pamphlet in which the two facing inner pages have related content: The left side (page 2) has a list of summarized thoughts (each a few lines), two of which are expanded on the right side (page 3). To help the reader make the connection, it seems helpful in both cases to point from the condensed version to its expansion.  The Gallery has a set of "Flow chart" graphics, including braces and brackets designed to serve the function of grouping a few lines and pointing to a conclusion. Unfortunately, all come with the description "Callout" which is inserted along with the graphic -- kind of like clip-art that includes a message "This is clip-art" (as part of the clip-art display). This can't be right, can it? - yet I have searched in vain (including the Help and Guides) for how to turn off that descriptive text. What am I missing?


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